BANYAN Posted August 4, 2021 Share #31 Posted August 4, 2021 Another great model. As the others have said, if not happy, repeat! As with your other builds, your joinery is so clean and crisp. I will enjoy following along with this one as well. cheers Pat Bitao, mtaylor, billocrates and 2 others 4 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted August 4, 2021 Share #32 Posted August 4, 2021 Lovely remake Bitao. Just curious - is the knee of the head permanently affixed to the stem or just temporarily fitted? I'm asking because the knee of the head is usually tapered aft to fore and from the lower to the extreme upper tip. As well the standard usually narrower than the upper knee/stem junction. Keith Black, mtaylor, billocrates and 1 other 4 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share #33 Posted August 4, 2021 4 hours ago, druxey said: Certainly the plan under the model helps keep the frames to the correct spread or width. Yes, druxey. That's the lowest mistake I've ever made. Too much confidence in their own vision and neglect of the positioning of the abduction edge. druxey, billocrates, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share #34 Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, dvm27 said: Lovely remake Bitao. Just curious - is the knee of the head permanently affixed to the stem or just temporarily fitted? I'm asking because the knee of the head is usually tapered aft to fore and from the lower to the extreme upper tip. As well the standard usually narrower than the upper knee/stem junction. Hello, Greg. I'm sorry, because my English is limited, I can't understand you. Can you draw this position and direction on the picture? From what I understand, you're referring to a change in the thickness of the top of the ribs? Edited August 4, 2021 by bitao billocrates and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share #35 Posted August 4, 2021 Greg, is this what you meant by "the knee of the head permanently" ? bruce d, billocrates, Jeronimo and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted August 4, 2021 Share #36 Posted August 4, 2021 No, Bitao. Those are the hawse and bollard timbers. Look at the photos below. In the first one the black arrow points towards the upper end of the knee of the head. It is where the figurehead sits and tapers to about 6" in width on the Naiad frigate. If you look carefully at Sheet 2 of Ed's plan you will see this taper. The taper also extends down to the lower part of the knee. Ed also discusses this on page 71 (volume 1) "Tapering the Knee of the Head". In the second photo the red arrow points at the standard ("gammoning knee") which sits atop the knee of the head. Note that it is narrower then the stem and knee of the head. Ed mentions it briefly in volume 2, page 272. It would difficult for most people to add this taper once the knee of the head is attached to the model but if you have already done so I believe your skillset will find a way to do this. Hope this has clarified things for you. Jeronimo, tlevine, Beef Wellington and 8 others 11 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share #37 Posted August 5, 2021 Greg, I finally understand what you're saying, and first of all, thank you so much for pointing that out. This is also the reason why I like MSW from the bottom of my heart, I have seen many masters including your excellent works and style of work, let me learn a lot of things, but also met many warm-hearted friends. Secondly, I have to admit that some mistakes are inevitable due to my lack of knowledge of the basic structure of ships and my language comprehension and reading difficulties. But it's also the process and opportunity for me to learn and improve. At present, the ribs have been laid to the seventh group, although it is more difficult to change, but I think it is also a test and an opportunity to improve my skills. I will do everything in my power to meet that standard. Thanks again for your detailed and patient answers! druxey, Mike Y, Jeronimo and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share #38 Posted August 5, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 7:00 PM, druxey said: Nice clean work. Don't forget the taper of the knee of the head! After Greg made it clear that I was wrong, I realized how important your warning was. Because of my misunderstanding. . Now I have to find a way to change it .What a painful reality!😪 Keith Black, mtaylor, KentM and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 5, 2021 Share #39 Posted August 5, 2021 It's all part of our learning curve, bitao. My first fully framed model had parts re-built four times! billocrates, Keith Black, bruce d and 5 others 8 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share #40 Posted August 5, 2021 The saddest thing for me was that while everyone else was making progress in post construction, I was regressing in reconstruction and failure. But I'm glad you guys supported it, especially Greg and Druxey for their timely comments! I learned something. It's been specially modified today. Also feel harmonious and much better-looking! VTHokiEE, Captain Poison, mtaylor and 25 others 27 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted August 5, 2021 Share #41 Posted August 5, 2021 Your work is immaculate. 👍 JohnLea, Bitao, billocrates and 3 others 5 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 5, 2021 Share #42 Posted August 5, 2021 Well done! The forward edge of the knee is rounded off, so when at anchor the cable doesn't get damaged by rubbing against any sharp corners. See Greg's photos. billocrates, Jeronimo, Bitao and 2 others 4 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share #43 Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/5/2021 at 5:51 PM, bruce d said: Your work is immaculate. 👍 No one can be perfect.I'm just trying to do better。 bruce d, Keith Black, Jeronimo and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted August 7, 2021 Share #44 Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) Bitao Not only are you doing better, your work is better than most and I believe a lot of it is due to the fact that you take advice very well and do not accept mediocrity. Allan Edited August 7, 2021 by allanyed BANYAN, Keith Black, druxey and 6 others 8 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share #45 Posted August 9, 2021 Jeronimo, AnobiumPunctatum, Mike Y and 23 others 25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury S Posted August 9, 2021 Share #46 Posted August 9, 2021 So clean! Maury billocrates, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Quote Current diversion: Anchor Hoy c 1815 - 1825 1:48 scale Recent Builds: Fair American: 18th C. Longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2284-longboat-18th-c-by-maury-modelshipways-by-chuck/ Echo Cross Section: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/513-echo-cross-section-by-maury/ Emma C. Berry http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/203-emma-c-berry-132-pof-by-maury/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share #47 Posted August 15, 2021 GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, popash42 and 25 others 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 15, 2021 Share #48 Posted August 15, 2021 Complete with mortises and tenons. Oh my! Well done. BANYAN, oneslim, billocrates and 6 others 8 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted August 16, 2021 Share #49 Posted August 16, 2021 Impressive! Love the tooling. cheers Pat billocrates, Bitao, bruce d and 3 others 5 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share #50 Posted August 21, 2021 WalrusGuy, JeffT, Captain Poison and 20 others 21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Hunt Posted August 21, 2021 Share #51 Posted August 21, 2021 Absolutely beautiful. Jeronimo, bruce d, JohnLea and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted August 21, 2021 Share #52 Posted August 21, 2021 This build is a joy to follow! I am watching your setups on the mill as I am in the very beginnings of learning how to make the most of using one. In addition your setups on the building board are well thought out. Lots of gizmos that should be on my Christmas list!!!! Allan Jeronimo, billocrates, Keith Black and 4 others 7 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share #53 Posted August 21, 2021 2 hours ago, allanyed said: This build is a joy to follow! I am watching your setups on the mill as I am in the very beginnings of learning how to make the most of using one. In addition your setups on the building board are well thought out. Lots of gizmos that should be on my Christmas list!!!! Allan Hello, Allan. The accurate positioning and stable clamping of the model are the key points. So I don't spend any less time making tools than I do making models. May you experience the joy of building! billocrates, dvm27, KentM and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idea Posted August 24, 2021 Share #54 Posted August 24, 2021 Wow your work is so inspiring - you are so precise its just lovely to see you progress. I'm watching this for tips and something to aim for in the future. Good luck moving forward. mtaylor, Bitao, Keith Black and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share #55 Posted August 26, 2021 muratx, JpR62, Siggi52 and 25 others 27 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Hunt Posted August 27, 2021 Share #56 Posted August 27, 2021 Incredible, exquisite, too close to perfect to be able to tell the difference. billocrates, mtaylor, Bitao and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 29, 2021 Share #57 Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) Just make sure that the upper ends of those counter timbers are well protected. Don't ask how I know this! Beautiful work, as usual.. Edited August 29, 2021 by druxey dvm27, billocrates, Jeronimo and 3 others 5 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitao Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share #58 Posted August 31, 2021 I'm tired of sawing and sanding wood. I'll do some outfitting for a change. Start with the metal boiler. As long as the size of the parts and drawings accurately match, will not be affected by the hull deviation. The drawings are 1:36 and must be converted to 1:60(60% of the drawing size) before being made. In order to beautiful and firm, the main body using block copper milling processing, the basic use of riveting parts. The utility model avoids the unsightedness of the welding and the unsteadiness of the adhesive. The precision of machining is required higher. KentM, VTHokiEE, gjdale and 25 others 20 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Poison Posted August 31, 2021 Share #59 Posted August 31, 2021 That's an excellent work! Bitao, Jeronimo, No Idea and 3 others 5 1 Quote Completed.... Charles W. Morgan,Sea Horse,USS Constitution,Virginia 1819,San Fransisco II, AL HMS Bounty 1:48 L'Herminione 1:96 Spanish Frigate,22 cannons 18th C. 1:35 scale.Scratch-built (Hull only) Cutter Cheefull 1806 1:48 (with modifications) Current Project: Orca (This is a 35" replica of the Orca boat from the movie Jaws) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted August 31, 2021 Share #60 Posted August 31, 2021 Beautiful work, and you work so quickly! Bitao, billocrates, mtaylor and 1 other 3 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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