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I'm just grateful you're leading the way on this one. Hopefully you'll have sorted out Sphinx before I've finished the Duchess, then I'll be able to follow your example🙂. Seriously though, thanks as always for sharing your thought processes and the steps in your build so helpfully.

 

Derek

 

Cheers, Derek

 

Current build:   Duchess of Kingston

On hold:              HMS Winchelsea

 

Previous builds:  HMS SpeedyEnglish Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery),

                            Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!)

 

On the stocks:    18th Century Longboat

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That’s bold to split a bulkhead. Enjoying watching this develop. 

Regards,

Glenn

 

Current Build: HMS Winchelsea
Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter CheerfulLady NelsonAmati HMS Vanguard,  
HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose

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Aft platform modification

This involves cutting away a section of the false keel between bulkheads 9 and 10.

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I have restricted this to the area covered by the ladderway only, the hatchway is grated and covered by the Upper deck capstan.

I used a section of unused maple decking from my Zulu build for the platform, sufficient for the purpose.

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Checking the level.

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The aft ladderway down to the platform from the Lower deck is almost directly below the Aft Ladderway on the Upper deck, so  that ladder will probably obscure most of the view down to the Aft Platform, but I'll know it's there.😀

 

Time to get back to the main event.

 

B.E.

27/08/21

 

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Stern and bow patterns.

 

I wasn’t too keen on working the bow and stern patterns off-model, particularly the stern.

As it happens, for the bow pattern the off-model option was removed; unlike the bow pattern bulkhead which wouldn’t shift after fitting the patterns.

It slid on ok and I was careful not to allow glue onto the keel, but move it would not and I had the nightmare vision of snapping the false keel which at only 3mm wide and quite long is very vulnerable at this stage.

 

So, on-model fairing it will be.

 

For preliminary fairing of the stern pattern I am using 10mm and 20mm Finger sanders, initially with coarse grade paper.

It is worth slipping a couple of lengths of waste strip from the keel fret between the stern patterns to support them during sanding, particularly parts 24.

One of mine fell off during sanding, probably due to insufficient glue used to avoid sticking it to the keel.

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So, this is as far as I felt comfortable with off-model fairing.

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All Bulkheads glued into place now.

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Only been four days and look at the state of my working area, think I need a general tidy up.

 

B.E.

28/08/21

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50 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said:

For preliminary fairing of the stern pattern I am using 10mm and 20mm Finger sanders,

What are "Finger sanders," BE? 

 

Nice work area...you have some elbow room!

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

Member of the Nautical Research Guild

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, Blue Ensign said:

look at the state of my working area

Looks neat compared to mine!

Cheers, Derek

 

Current build:   Duchess of Kingston

On hold:              HMS Winchelsea

 

Previous builds:  HMS SpeedyEnglish Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery),

                            Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!)

 

On the stocks:    18th Century Longboat

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Gunport patterns

 

These fitted perfectly in the slots altho’ there was a little spring in the patterns which gave me cause to think about the diluted glue joint brushing approach. I did it, but light clamping was required for several of the slots.

TheY feel very delicate and soft hands are required to fit them, whilst ensuring the rails fully fit into the slots.

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To my annoyance the port side extension at the top end of Bulkhead 12 came away. (It’s the one with the yellow tape on it)

Nowt to do wi’ me Gov, I swear it fell off on its own accord; re-glued, but it remains to be seen what subsequent stresses it will be subject to.

With the rails in place the hull is beginning to look the part and with the glue set it is now a rigid structure.

Still need to be careful with those bulkhead extensions in the Quarter deck area.

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Finally, I removed the infill from Bulkhead 13. I took this very slowly and ensured that I could slip a scalpel blade between infill and bulkhead before I applied any pressure.

 

Fitting out the Lower Deck

I will be using the provided coaming/grating sets for the lower deck; they will only ever be viewed from above once the upper deck is fitted.

 

I note that there is no round-up to the head ledges, which appears to follow some of the drawings in the AotS book on Pandora.

Some of the general isometric and deck plan drawings in the book also show picture frame corner joints to the coamings, hmmn.

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The cross section drawings do appear to show a round up, so this is an area I will re-visit when I get to the Upper deck fittings.

 

The Pearwood Laser cut coamings are cleanly cut, remember to apply glue to the top half of each set, helps to keep glue off the grating rebate.

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The gratings are accurately cut and are a perfect fit to the coamings.

 

At this point I can also add the ladders down to the Platforms.

I had run out of generic ladder sets and considered buying and converting the Pearwood set supplied for Speedy.

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Chris was kind enough to knock me a set out from earlier Sphinx plans he had when he considered fitting out the ladderways.

He does not intend to generally include these as separate fittings but will supply them on request. (He tells me)

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Fore hatchway

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I will leave the Fore lower deck hatch open.

 

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There will be a view of the Fore Platform down thro’ the Upper and lower decks and it will enhance the impression of a fully fitted out model.

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Aft hatchway.

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Here the grating will remain in place as it sits below the Capstan, and there is no open space below it.

Less will be seen of this ladderway as the Upper deck ladderway sits above it.

 

B.E.

31/08/21

 

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10 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said:

Post Seven

 

Gunport patterns

 

These fitted perfectly in the slots altho’ there was a little spring in the patterns which gave me cause to think about the diluted glue joint brushing approach. I did it, but light clamping was required for several of the slots.

TheY feel very delicate and soft hands are required to fit them, whilst ensuring the rails fully fit into the slots.

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To my annoyance the port side extension at the top end of Bulkhead 12 came away. (It’s the one with the yellow tape on it)

Nowt to do wi’ me Gov, I swear it fell off on its own accord; re-glued, but it remains to be seen what subsequent stresses it will be subject to.

With the rails in place the hull is beginning to look the part and with the glue set it is now a rigid structure.

Still need to be careful with those bulkhead extensions in the Quarter deck area.

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Finally, I removed the infill from Bulkhead 13. I took this very slowly and ensured that I could slip a scalpel blade between infill and bulkhead before I applied any pressure.

 

Fitting out the Lower Deck

I will be using the provided coaming/grating sets for the lower deck; they will only ever be viewed from above once the upper deck is fitted.

 

I note that there is no round-up to the head ledges, which appears to follow some of the drawings in the AotS book on Pandora.

Some of the general isometric and deck plan drawings in the book also show picture frame corner joints to the coamings, hmmn.

🤔

The cross section drawings do appear to show a round up, so this is an area I will re-visit when I get to the Upper deck fittings.

 

The Pearwood Laser cut coamings are cleanly cut, remember to apply glue to the top half of each set, helps to keep glue off the grating rebate.

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The gratings are accurately cut and are a perfect fit to the coamings.

 

At this point I can also add the ladders down to the Platforms.

I had run out of generic ladder sets and considered buying and converting the Pearwood set supplied for Speedy.

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Chris was kind enough to knock me a set out from earlier Sphinx plans he had when he considered fitting out the ladderways.

He does not intend to generally include these as separate fittings but will supply them on request. (He tells me)

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Fore hatchway

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I will leave the Fore lower deck hatch open.

 

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There will be a view of the Fore Platform down thro’ the Upper and lower decks and it will enhance the impression of a fully fitted out model.

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Aft hatchway.

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Here the grating will remain in place as it sits below the Capstan, and there is no open space below it.

Less will be seen of this ladderway as the Upper deck ladderway sits above it.

 

B.E.

31/08/21

 

You are really tempting me to get those ladders from Chris, really adds to the model 

 

But i'm a bit scared to cut the Bulkhead and keel tho

Jacek

 

Current Build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models 1/64 

On Hold/Parallel: Lady Nelson - Amati/Victory Models 1/64

 

 

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Post Eight

 

Upper deck supports

 

A couple of the support beam legs needed a little fettlin’ to get them to sit right down on the Bulkhead shoulder.

This only entailed sanding the leg bottoms by degrees until the beam was firmly down.

 

Depending on what arrangement I finally decide upon there may be a glimpse of the upper deck support beam legs.

In reality these are shaped columns and for those that may be seen thro’ the upper deck openings a little shaping is in order above coaming level.

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This relates to support legs 4a thro’ to 10a.

Dry fit only at this point.

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There is a risk of breaking the mdf legs so the shaping process was done very carefully using scalpel and light sanding strokes.

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Upper deck base temporarily in place.

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Whatever remains to be seen will link the two decks in a more realistic manner, all about smoke and mirrors below the Upper deck.

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The shipyard is now closing for a week or so while I spend some time at the coast.

 

B.E.

01/09/21

 

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There is a risk of breaking the mdf legs so the shaping process was done very carefully using scalpel and light sanding strokes.

Wouldnt in be easier to just cut them off and glue them back on after shaping ?

Jacek

 

Current Build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models 1/64 

On Hold/Parallel: Lady Nelson - Amati/Victory Models 1/64

 

 

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A nice, and patient, touch on the columns, well done!  Enjoy the coast.

Regards,

Glenn

 

Current Build: HMS Winchelsea
Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter CheerfulLady NelsonAmati HMS Vanguard,  
HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose

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5 minutes ago, Jasseji said:

just cut them off

I don’t think so, why an extra step. I’ll do it BE’s way, though likely not as well.

Regards,

Glenn

 

Current Build: HMS Winchelsea
Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter CheerfulLady NelsonAmati HMS Vanguard,  
HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose

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10 minutes ago, glbarlow said:

I don’t think so, why an extra step. I’ll do it BE’s way, though likely not as well.

what i mean is, if one would cut it off, they could be turned on a mini-Lathe (or even redo them from other kind of wood) just thinking out loud here

Jacek

 

Current Build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models 1/64 

On Hold/Parallel: Lady Nelson - Amati/Victory Models 1/64

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said:

I think Glenn and me are in accord on this one, Jacek.

Cutting the legs would introduce a weak point, and could subtly affect  the angles

 

Different approach for show deck stuff, but sufficient for the lower deck.

 

Cheers,

 

B.E.

rgr, Enjoy the fresh air at the Coast ;)

Jacek

 

Current Build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models 1/64 

On Hold/Parallel: Lady Nelson - Amati/Victory Models 1/64

 

 

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Post Nine

 

Mulling over a Stern modification.

 

With the deck beams now completed I need to consider the first major departure from the kit.

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Those longitudinal deck beams slotted into place perfectly, beautifully accurate laser cutting.

 

The stern frames have a direct relationship to the internal fittings of the Great Cabin.

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With the kit arrangement the inboard horizontal extensions form what will be the seat pattern extending from the stern lights. (instr114)

I suspect this is a simplification, but one which under normal circumstances would not be of great concern.

However, as I intend to have very little of the Quarter deck planking in place, this simplification becomes an issue.

The bench seat should be narrower, a little lower, and, in the centre, should be the Rudder head cover.

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This shot from Chuck’s wonderful Winchelsea build shows a typical arrangement altho’ with Sphinx the head is octagonal and of smaller proportions.

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This means that a quite drastic re-shaping of the stern frames is required, removing the sections that form the bench top and front.

It would then look as it would on a plank on frame set-up.

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This photo of Chuck’s Winchelsea build demonstrates the change required.

 

There are drawings of the Rudder cover and bench arrangements in the Pandora book, one internal profile at 1:64 scale, and a plan at 1:128 scale.

I will use these as a guide for my modification.

 

The octagonal Rudder Head cover, which scales to a diameter of 30” (12mm) and a height of 35.3” (14mm) sits between the central stern frames and butts against the back edge of the kit upper deck.

 

The bench seat scales to a depth of 15” (6mm) and a height of 20” (8mm)

 

Stage one will be to modify the stern frames, stage two, extend the deck, stage three, create the Rudder head cover, and stage four, form the bench.

 

I also intend to open up the doorways to the Quarter galleries.

I did something similar with the Quarter Badges on Pegasus. With light being able to penetrate thro’ the gallery and stern lights, the appearance is far more natural in my opinion, and gives a view of the Great Cabin with its chequer sailcloth covering, and Rudder head trunk.

 

In the case of Sphinx the cabin area will also be open thro’ the deck beams of the Quarter deck.

 

It is likely to be some time before I actually get the Upper deck in place, and then it will have to be manually planked to match the part planking of the Foc’sle and Quarterdecks.

 

I will record my progress with this modification in the posts to follow.

 

B.E.

10/09/21

 

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2 hours ago, Blue Ensign said:

With the deck beams now completed I need to consider the first major departure from the kit.

 

I love how you are making all of these modifications so that many of the internal areas of the ship can be seen and keeping things to scale and authentically accurate at the same time. Amazing work, BE! 

 

 Are you considering adding any supplemental, internal, LED lighting?

Bob Garcia

"Measure once, cuss twice!"

 

Current Builds: 

Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28

 

Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. 

Member of the Nautical Research Guild

 

 

 

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Enjoying the creative approach, it will be fun to watch it unfold. 

Regards,

Glenn

 

Current Build: HMS Winchelsea
Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter CheerfulLady NelsonAmati HMS Vanguard,  
HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose

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Post Ten

Starting the stern modification

The first job is to establish where the Rudder head cover will sit.

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To this end it is necessary to temporarily fit the stern post and rudder.

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A piece of 12mm Walnut square stock is shaped into an octagon.

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The piece is then hollowed out to fit over the Rudder head.

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By design or accident, the scale cover fits between the central kit stern frames.

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This is purely to assess the position.

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The cover will not sit this low in the framing.

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This will enable me to work out the height and line of the bench which butts to the cover.

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Here the shaping of the inner four frames has begun.

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Not sure at present whether the two outer frames will require shaping, I am conscious that the aft internal bulwarks are cut to fit above them.

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I am taking things slowly as I’m basically making it up as I go along, having no plans to work to. I need to keep looking ahead to see how the mods impact on stages further along the build.

 

That’s enough headache for one day.

 

B.E.

11/09/21

 

 

 

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Stern mods continued.

Having studied Chuck’s Winchelsea build which is acting as a sort of proxy plan, I can see where I am going.

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All the stern frames have now been adjusted including the two outer frames.

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My Proxxon scroll saw is my most used machine, would hate to be without it.

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Fully modified stern frames in place.

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This results in a gap where the kit rear inner bulwark pattern (214/215) is designed to fit over the original layout.

No matter this is easily rectified.

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I have also removed the door as I hope to open up the Quarter gallery.

 

A little more cleaning up and the frames can be glued into place.

 

B.E.

12/09/21

 

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