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I'm finishing up my USS Constitution and I want to show spare yards stored on the forechannels.  A while ago I asked if the necessary blocks would be attached to the yard in anticipation of its being needed and the general consensus was "no".  Well, how about footropes?  How about the mounting hardware for the studdingsail booms?  Neither of these items would seem to be quick to mount to the yard if the yard was needed. 

 

What do you think?

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Looks like only the eyebolts for the jackstays are mounted.  Moot point, actually, as jackstays weren't used in 1812 (the time I'm portraying).  And the large yards were stored on the channels.  I think the shorter yards would come up through the main hatch.  (Not really a hatch, but the big opening in the spar deck amidships).  

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A good day as I learned something new in that I never knew yards were stored on the channels and I would like to learn more about this.    AH, can you share any contemporary information about this stowage on the channels, how they were secured, etc.  I am having a hard time picturing this as the lower yards on the USS Constitution were nearly triple the length of the channels.    I did some searching on my own but could not find anything contemporary.  I did find a very nice, well detailed, set of free plans at https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/discover-learn/modeler-resources/   The ship's boats drawings are especially well done.  

 

Jackstays were introduced in the Royal Navy in 1811 so if the US was copying the idea, makes sense that they probably had not knocked off the idea by 1812.   Do you know when jackstays came into use in the US?  

 

TIA

 

Allan

 

 

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The Constellation storage arrangement does not seem to make sense.  With spars stored as they are, this would severely impact the ability to mount any armament in these areas so just doesn't seem to pass the practicality test.  I'd also be very interested in seeing primary source suggesting how spars could be mounted on the channels, intuitively this seems rather cumbersome approach for anything but the smallest.  I have nothing specific to point to, but would a more practical solution be to store larger yards amidships in the waist area amongst and of the ships boats? 

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According to Boudriot, the spars and yards for the 74 were loaded 'unfinished', just the main (built-up) stick, but not finished with head, gammoning, foot etc that make the finished spar. The fitting of blocks etc is an additional step beyond that.

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2 hours ago, Roger Pellett said:

The photo posted above is of the Constellation as she currently appears in Baltimore Harbor.   This is the c1859 Sloop of War Constellation.  She was spar decked.  Her guns were carried below on a gun deck with the lighter unarmed spar deck overhead.

 

Roger

There were two Parrot Rifles on top as launched in 1859, but they soon disappeared after the first cruise. One at the bow and one at the stern.  The Marines did have some smaller guns that could be mounted on deck if needed.  

 

Due to the way the Constellation folks way back in the early 1900's played, many of the original frigate drawings "disappeared" or were changed.  As for the restoration of the 1859 Constellation, as I understand it, they ran out of money so didn't finish putting the guns on their fore and aft positions.

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14 hours ago, allanyed said:

  I am having a hard time picturing this as the lower yards on the USS Constitution were nearly triple the length of the channels.    I did some searching on my own but could not find anything contemporary. 

 

I am not at all certain that spares were carried for the course yards. If one of those were carried away your ship was in deep sh t.

Spares for the topgallant and royals could be carried lashed vertically to either the topmast or lower shrouds.

 

Regards,

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