confused sailor Posted September 16, 2021 Share #1 Posted September 16, 2021 Hi guys, My first submission. Lines coming from above are sometimes roved through the lubber´s hole to the shipside and must wear against the outer side of the lubber`s holen as I see it. Would this be accpetable or are blocks or fairleads used in some way. bruce d and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted September 16, 2021 Share #2 Posted September 16, 2021 Hello confused sailor, welcome to MSW. Good question, now I want to know as well. Why not post something in the new members introduction thread (and maybe tell us if there is a story behind that screen name 😉 ) ? Regards, Bruce allanyed, Mark P, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused sailor Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share #3 Posted September 16, 2021 I am humouros. druxey, mtaylor and bruce d 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused sailor Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share #4 Posted September 16, 2021 Sorry hi bruce bruce d 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted September 16, 2021 Share #5 Posted September 16, 2021 Hi CS Your question really is a good one but to which lines, ship(s), era are your referring? A little more detail might help get some helpful information. I know I would like to see this as this question was raised here at MSW not too long ago but no answer based on contemporary information ever came up. Allan mtaylor and bruce d 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted September 16, 2021 Share #6 Posted September 16, 2021 There are lines that belay at the base of a mast. There are bitts and sometimes pins or cleats on a mast. Rather than set up a situation wear a line would constantly rub by going inside the floor of a top and then on to the side, I would expect it would be more efficient to go outside the floor to the side of a ship. mtaylor 1 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused sailor Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share #7 Posted September 17, 2021 Hi Allen It is a general question no specific line is ment. The custion concerns full rigged ships from 1700 1800 1900c and modern vessels. I should have added the question of changes in thisr matter over the years. Regards mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused sailor Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share #8 Posted September 17, 2021 Hi Jaager I agree. Nevertheless there are drawings showing this ex Peterson. Regards mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted September 17, 2021 Share #9 Posted September 17, 2021 The problem is: going outside the tops to the side does not work: the lines would need to cross through the standing rigging, and chafe at the outside of the tops (tops being fairly wide) depending of where the line starts, and needs to end, it is going through the lubbers hole, or through a hole made in the floor of the top. See eg edT's log on the Young America showing how it was done in the American Clippers. Jan mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted September 17, 2021 Share #10 Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Couple of years ago, Fred Hocker posted a drawing of the tops of Vasa. They show a number of holes. The line went in a straight line, and where it hit the top, they made a hole. (Size depending on rope thickness) Edited September 17, 2021 by amateur mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused sailor Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share #11 Posted September 18, 2021 Hi Amateur When I agreed to Jaager about roving the lines outside the top I ment from the top to a place aft of the shrouds, not through them, and of course avoiding to interfer with the side of the top. This is seen on more modern ships. I suppose lines can be roved to mastfoots, through the lubber´s hole and aft of the shrouds as long as they do not with anything else. Regards confused sailor mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
confused sailor Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share #12 Posted September 19, 2021 On 9/18/2021 at 9:39 AM, confused sailor said: Hi Amateur When I agreed to Jaager about roving the lines outside the top I ment from the top of a mast to a place aft of the shrouds, not through them, and of course avoiding to interfer with the side of the top. This is seen on more modern ships. I suppose lines can be roved to mastfoots, through the lubber´s hole and aft of the shrouds as long as they do not with anything else. Regards confused sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.