JamesT1 Posted December 10, 2021 Share #1 Posted December 10, 2021 Good evening all can anyone tell me if the two lines I have indicated in red are the upper and lower limits of the main wale on HMS Agamemnon 1876 Many thanks Jim Quote Jim T Current build: HMS Agamemnon - Caldercraft - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusawa2000 Posted December 10, 2021 Share #2 Posted December 10, 2021 46 minutes ago, JamesT1 said: Good evening all can anyone tell me if the two lines I have indicated in red are the upper and lower limits of the main wale on HMS Agamemnon 1876 Many thanks Jim jim: Yes.. they are the upper and lower lines of the main wale. And.. the two lines that are located where the chainplates meet is the upper wale. MIKE mtaylor 1 Quote Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted December 10, 2021 Share #3 Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) Hi Jim, That drawing looks like Agamemnon 1781. Can you share how did you came to find this is from 1876? The reason I ask is that the British were building ironclads by 1876 and the vessel in the plans is surely 18th century, not late 19th century. Your signature has you building the Caldercraft Agamemnon which is the 1781vessel so a little confusing (or maybe a typo 😃) Mike may be correct, but assuming this is Agamemnon 1781 the arrows might not be the top and bottom of the wales. The bottom arrow looks to be pointing at the wales but the top arrow is pointing at what may be the black strake, which is not part of the wales as it is not as thick as the wales. The main wales of a 64 like Agamemnon in 1781 were 7" thick and later in the century went to 8" thick. The main wales on a 64 were 4' 2" broad (0.78125" at 1:64) The strake on top of the wales (which I believe is also known as the black strake) was 6.5" thick and 16" (0.25") broad. The planking above this strake was 4" thick. These figures are from both The Shipbuilder's Repository 1788 and Steel's Elements and of Naval Architecture 1805. As an FYI, the Establishments up to 1750 gave a thickness of 7" for a 60 (there are no 64's in the Establishment scantlings). The strake above the main wales in the Establishments was 5.5" thick. Allan Edited December 11, 2021 by allanyed mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesT1 Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share #4 Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, allanyed said: Hi Jim, That drawing looks like Agamemnon 1781. Can you share how did you came to find this is from 1876? The reason I ask is that the British were building ironclads by 1876 and the vessel in the plans is surely 18th century, not late 19th century. Your signature has you building the Caldercraft Agamemnon which is the 1781vessel so a little confusing (or maybe a typo 😃) Mike may be correct, but assuming this is Agamemnon 1781 the arrows might not be the top and bottom of the wales. The bottom arrow looks to be pointing at the wales but the top arrow is pointing at what may be the black strake, which is not part of the wales as it is not as thick as the wales. The main wales of a 64 like Agamemnon in 1781 were 7" thick and later in the century went to 8" thick. The main wales on a 64 were 4' 2" broad (0.78125" at 1:64) The strake on top of the wales (which I believe is also known as the black strake) was 6.5" thick and 16" (0.25") broad. The planking above this strake was 4" thick. These figures are from both The Shipbuilder's Repository 1788 and Steel's Elements and of Naval Architecture 1805. As an FYI, the Establishments up to 1750 gave a thickness of 7" for a 60 (there are no 64's in the Establishment scantlings). The strake above the main wales in the Establishments was 5.5" thick. Allan Hi Allan Sorry senile moment... I meant 1781.... haven't a clue where I got 1876 from... that was a couple of years before I was born.... Many thanks for all the other very useful information Jim Edited December 11, 2021 by JamesT1 Kusawa2000, mtaylor and allanyed 3 Quote Jim T Current build: HMS Agamemnon - Caldercraft - 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted December 11, 2021 Share #5 Posted December 11, 2021 Thank you very much for the smile you gave to another person with their fair share of senile moments (that person being me😀) Glad the other information may be of help. Allan mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 12, 2021 Share #6 Posted December 12, 2021 Ah... as senior moment explains it all. Too many of us are having them. Myself included. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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