guraus Posted August 12, 2013 Share #1 Posted August 12, 2013 Hello, I decided to start another small project as a side summer project to my Victory to break a little bit the monotony of drilling holes and nailing the main deck. As I just returned from a very nice vacation in Paris, from where I bought the three volumes of the book "Souvenirs de marine" by Vice-Admiral A. Paris (reprinted in 1975 by "4 seigneurs") I decide to build one of the small curious ships that he (or his son) measured and made the draughts while voyaging around the world late 19 century. Some of the strange things about this ship I've noticed so far (which I discovered by reading the book, was common practice in Japanese shipbuilding at the time) are: no keel almost no use of nails or anything iron - only wood treenails square, hard wood masts in a single piece ruder that can be brought up on the ship use of very vide and long planks no cannons even if this is a warship different way of rowing - not even rowing in fact they were sculling Scale is 1:50 and the plans look quite detailed but there are not complete or very precise in al details - so I'll have to use my imagination sometimes. In fact I'm not even sure the ship is called Fune - might by Bune or Tune - a bit hard to decipher as this re-print is a identical reproduction of the hand written original book. I google it for images and found some with all names. Here is the progress I've done this weekend. EdT and harvey1847 2 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share #2 Posted August 12, 2013 Regards, Alexandru mtaylor, harvey1847, AntonyUK and 3 others 6 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 12, 2013 Share #3 Posted August 12, 2013 Now that looks a very interesting project, Alexandru! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 12, 2013 Share #4 Posted August 12, 2013 Indeed... what John said. I'm going to pull up chair as this should be interesting to watch. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted August 12, 2013 Share #5 Posted August 12, 2013 Hello Alexandru. Nice choice of model to scratch build Have got my chair and cushion ready for this build. Regards Antony. Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catopower Posted August 12, 2013 Share #6 Posted August 12, 2013 Hello Alexandru, A very interesting build! I've been in contact with someone who is building the Woody Joe kit that appears to be of the same subject. Would love to learn more about the actual ship's construction. By the way, the name Fune is fine as it's just Japanese for "Boat". Quote Clare Hess He's a -> "HE" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farbror Fartyg Posted August 12, 2013 Share #7 Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) I'll follow this one. Interesting. "Fune" is simply "ship", or "boat" in japanese. As for the "bune" bit: I've forgotten the linguistic term for it, but has to do with a first word of a compound word affecting the pronounciation of the first consonant in the word following it. In some cases, "fune" becomes "bune" when in compound words. EX. "tsuribune" - a fishing boat. Give me a holler if you need any help with anything Japanese related. Sam EDIT: Sorry catopower! I didn't notice you had already explained what fune means ... Edited August 12, 2013 by Farbror Fartyg Quote "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch build yours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted August 12, 2013 Share #8 Posted August 12, 2013 I'm a bit late to the party, so I'll just take a seat in the second row to watch this one. Looks like a fascinating project. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catopower Posted August 13, 2013 Share #9 Posted August 13, 2013 Sorry catopower! I didn't notice you had already explained what fune means ... No worries, Sam. Good explanation of the spelling changes in compound works. I was going to respond to that, but I figured my explanations would just confuse the matter Clare Quote Clare Hess He's a -> "HE" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted August 13, 2013 Thank you all for interest. Here is a small update. janos, chris watton, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
federicoaa Posted August 13, 2013 Share #11 Posted August 13, 2013 It is looking nice. I'll keep reading this log. Go for it Quote Current building Santisima trinidad cross section - Occre - 1:90 Finished Bounty Boat - OCCRE - 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 14, 2013 Share #12 Posted August 14, 2013 Interestinger and interestinger, Alexandru! jOHN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted August 21, 2013 Hello, Here is another update on the Japanese Fune. The progress was slower than I initially imagined. The ship only looks simple but it has a particular shape that proved quit difficult to plank using wide planks. Additionally I had to do some small planking around the ruder as later will be even more difficult. Also added two bulkheads in the hold and the mast step even if I am not decided yet if the hold will be visible in any way or fully closed. There are other few details in the hold that I might not do if I decide to close it. Here are the pictures harvey1847, janos, Wishmaster and 2 others 5 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share #14 Posted August 21, 2013 Thank you, Alexandru harvey1847, EdT, janos and 5 others 8 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted August 21, 2013 Share #15 Posted August 21, 2013 Hello Alexandru. A very nice build. An interesting hull shape and construction. I also like the timber you have chosen for this ship. Regards Antony. Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 21, 2013 Share #16 Posted August 21, 2013 The ship only looks simple but it has a particular shape that proved quit difficult to plank using wide planks. That ship was never going to be a 'cakewalk' with that unusual shape, Alexandru, but you're doing a great job of her. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share #17 Posted August 25, 2013 Finally I finished the hull planking and started to work on the deck. Here are some pictures. Alexandru mtaylor, druxey, harvey1847 and 5 others 8 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 25, 2013 Share #18 Posted August 25, 2013 Beautiful work, Alexandru! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zbigniew Posted August 26, 2013 Share #19 Posted August 26, 2013 Nice work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted August 28, 2013 Thank you guys for appreciation. Here are some question for you as I hit the first major roadblock in the construction of this model. Maybe someone can shed some light to overcome the missing information in these plans. Probably accurate information is not available (couldn't find anything on Internet) but at least some ideas of what a real shipbuilder could have done at that time. As you can see in the first picture, there is a second mast on this ship and it is positioned just in front of what the plans'author calls the forecastle (gaillard avant in French in text). This mast passes between two stancions (montants) to which the mast is lashed. These stanchions also have a round hole at the top (green arrow) for a roller used the embark the main mast as can be seen in the second picture but also has some squate holes in it to act as a windlass. Now, if the roller is in place the mast can pass between the stancions in the same position as in figure 1. Then in the third picure showing the longitudinal section and the plan view - the mast is nowere to be seen. Not even the hole through the decks for it. Nor its mast step - there is one for the smaller mast fore. The roller is still there even with a front view detail (green box) described as: roller used as vindlass (rouleau servant de guindeau in French) Additionally the stancions look quite a distance apart: at the plan scale that will be about 1.5 - 2m which would be fine for the roller/windlass but way to far apart to lash the smaller mast placed between them to both of them. So all this explanation for the first question: should there be a second smaller mast? The solutions I've imagined are as follows: 1. There is no mast - I don't really like this option. 2. There is a mast there for which I'll add a mast-step in the hold and holes in the decks above This solution rises several issues: how the roller/windlas is taken out and put back when needed without removing the stanchions? how can a relatively small diameter mast lashed to two stanchions so far apart? how can there be two beams on the ship longitudinal axis to provide suport to the capstan (blue boxes in figure three) as they will be cut by the holes for mast passage? The best scenario I came up with is as follows: have a mast there have a maststep in the hold and holes in the decks keep the roller in place to be used only when the small mast is not there to embark the bigger one roller won't be used as windlass replace the two beams (one below and one above) holding the capstan by two pairs of beams one pair above and one below with a thicker piece of wood between them for capstan support - this way they won't be cut by the mast passage Does all this makes any sense? Well I hope so and hope someone will take the time to read this long post and come with some ideas or suggestions. Thank you, Alexandru Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share #21 Posted September 4, 2013 Well, nobody came with any better idea than mine and nobody disagreed with it also so I went on with it. here are the progress pictures. Thank you, Alexandru Wishmaster, harvey1847, gjdale and 2 others 5 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted September 12, 2013 Some more progress on the Fune... harvey1847, janos, Wishmaster and 2 others 5 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 12, 2013 Share #23 Posted September 12, 2013 Well, nobody came with any better idea than mine Lots of expertise on this forum, mate, but not on Japanese sailing ships!! You're still making great progress. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share #24 Posted September 15, 2013 Some progress over the weekend. Alexandru janos, AntonyUK, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 16, 2013 Share #25 Posted September 16, 2013 She's really looking the part now, Alexandru! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdoK Posted September 16, 2013 Share #26 Posted September 16, 2013 Hi Alexandru, this is a quite different construction to what I'am and probably most of us are used to, very impressive, even your speed of building is outstanding. Looking forward to follow your excellent build! Quote Cheers, Udo Current builds: Le Coureur 1776 - CAFmodel 1/48 VOC Retourship Batavia Boston Typhoon steam trawler 1/32 Research/Side Projects/On Hold: H.M. Bark Endeavour HMS Bounty 1787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted September 17, 2013 Share #27 Posted September 17, 2013 Hello Alexandru? Still following this wonderful build. You are making a perfect model and your joinery is excellent. Regards Antony. Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey1847 Posted September 19, 2013 Share #28 Posted September 19, 2013 And this was supposed to be a small project!!? How I envy you... in a good way Excellent work. Daniel. Quote In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guraus Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share #29 Posted September 22, 2013 Thank you guys for appreciation. Here are some progress pictures. worked on the ruder and the main mast. They both needed several pulleys which I made from brass. The mast is square in section and assembled from several pieces including a hard wood core. The sides and front are covered with a softer wood pieces with rounded corners. Before finishing the upper deck I have to install the ruder which is kept in place by a system of ropes and pulleys otherwise I won't be able do do it. But before that I have several things to finish on the hull - one of them being the (decorative?) riband you can see in the last two pictures - on one side is done. Thank you for watching. Alexandru janos, harvey1847, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote For all my builds please visit my site at: http://www.AlexShipModels.com Previous builds HMS Victory Machine a curer les ports La Jacinthe Japanese Fune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted September 22, 2013 Share #30 Posted September 22, 2013 I've not seen a mast quite like that before. Thanks for sharing this unusual build with us. Your workmanship is superb! Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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