md1400cs #1 Posted February 17, 2013 Hello everyone. I am posting 2 pics of my Corel. I want to get it right and then I will add more pics. This is my second build. I completed a Mantua Santa Maria many year ago. This Wasa has been a lot of fun. I have torn sections out and rebuilt them as I have been able to view so many photos of the real ship. The stern, for example is wrong in the Corel kit. OK let's see if my first pics posts. 15 NenadM, matta, kutlay and 12 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JanV #2 Posted February 17, 2013 good to see you here, never noticed this build on the old MSW, but I will follow you, as I am also building the same kit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #3 Posted February 17, 2013 here are a few more pics. Thank you for looking 14 jaerschen, zoly99sask, riverboat and 11 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JPett #4 Posted February 18, 2013 Ahoy, md1400cs Beautiful work. I especially like your treatment of the "gilded metal". Can I ask your overall opinion of the Corel kit? I am looking into purchasing one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bahamas Diver #5 Posted February 18, 2013 As others have stated......Beautiful details. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #6 Posted February 18, 2013 Ahoy, md1400cs Beautiful work. I especially like your treatment of the "gilded metal". Can I ask your overall opinion of the Corel kit? I am looking into purchasing one. Hi Jpett, Thank you for your kind words. Regarding the Corel SM13 I will put some thoughts together regarding this and post my thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #7 Posted February 18, 2013 Here are some of the details that I decided to incorporate on my Corel Wasa. The bobinettes from the kit were incorrect. I used photos of the original as reference. Also, the Corel gilded pieces are also incorrect as additions to the Galeries. Here are pics of my attempt. Again, thanks for looking 20 avsjerome2003, Anja, igorsr and 17 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominik #8 Posted February 18, 2013 Hi md1400cs, indeed very solid craftsmanship! I see that you have some pictures of the real Wasa on your laptop there. Nevertheless, do have a look at the pictures I uploaded in the following forum: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/236-wasa-museum-pictures/#entry1924 I am also very much looking forward to your overall assessment of the Corel kit. /Dominik 1 dgbot reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Sea Dog #9 Posted February 18, 2013 Wow! Very nice work md1400cs!! I especially like your jointery in the planking. Are the square nails included in the Corel kit? There is a randomness to their size that looks really cool in a rugged kind of way and it gives a hefty look to the planks. Nicely done! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timothy Wood #10 Posted February 18, 2013 Hi md1499cs, Beautiful job, I look forward to following your build and seeing the finished kit! Tim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #11 Posted February 18, 2013 Ahoy, md1400cs Beautiful work. I especially like your treatment of the "gilded metal". Can I ask your overall opinion of the Corel kit? I am looking into purchasing one. My opinions of Corel’s SM13 Wasa are as follows; I purchased this kit many years ago after having visited the museum. I did not do any research. The Corel was the first one that I noticed and purchased it from Model Expo (a consistently excellent supplier). As I proceeded with the build, I decided that I wanted to add more details that were available from the kit right out of the box. I also wanted to take my time and really improve my skills as I went along. I was having a lot of fun. I looked at, and filed many photos of the original and started noticing several shortcomings, in terms of accuracy, with Corel's example. There were several areas that were totally wrong. Mmmmm, but I had progressed to a point where it was too late to adjust the build in some areas. First noted errors; The five deck entry doors are poorly shaped. The bow entry doors are way too thick. The bow step-down side stairs are incorrect. The bow front railing is incorrect (especially those dolphin gilded pieces) The stern is too thin and doesn't allow for the required gilded soldiers. In fact the entire stern is wrong. I tore mine out and re-did it. I'm only realizing these "issues" because I have researched so many photos. I also acquired a set of plans from the museum. OK. Some positive thoughts; All framing is pre-cut. The gilded pieces are very well plated and well cast. The instructions are adequate. Lumber is well cut, as are other wood pieces. If one has no idea of what the real ship really looks like these criticisms would be vacuous, and benign. The ship "out of the box" is none the less impressive, and is obviously the Vasa. The one kit that is super accurate to the real Vasa is the Billings example. This kit is excellent to a fault. However, I do believe that much of the wood parts are only inked onto boards and then need to be cut. Also all of the very accurate gilding are made of plastic. The completed kits that I have seen online looks so excellent. Nice work on Billings part. http://www.naturecoast.com/hobby/bil490.htm If anyone has any specific questions I will be happy to respond. And please any constructive criticism of my project will be very appreciated, as this is only my second build, and I'm new to your wonderful forum. Gee some of you have awesome projects. MJD 1 42rocker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #12 Posted February 18, 2013 Wow! Very nice work md1400cs!! I especially like your jointery in the planking. Are the square nails included in the Corel kit? There is a randomness to their size that looks really cool in a rugged kind of way and it gives a hefty look to the planks. Nicely done! Thank you for your nice words. No those nails are not part of the kit. I purchased these from a model railroad company. They are rail ties for HO and a smaller size as well. Micromark has most of the other very small nails. Thanks for appreciating my intent with the randomness, per photos of the real ship, and it was the 1600's I thought that it would kind of look "ok" MJD 2 Bernhard and dgbot reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #13 Posted February 18, 2013 Hi md1400cs, indeed very solid craftsmanship! I see that you have some pictures of the real Wasa on your laptop there. Nevertheless, do have a look at the pictures I uploaded in the following forum: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/236-wasa-museum-pictures/#entry1924 I am also very much looking forward to your overall assessment of the Corel kit. /Dominik Dominik, Thanks! some I did not have (:-) MJD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JPett #14 Posted February 18, 2013 Ahoy MJD Thank you for the reply. Your attention to detail and craftsmanship on this build is impressive. Thanks for sharing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JanV #15 Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) I can agree with the points you made in comparison with the Corel kit to the original. the Billing Boats kit is indead more accurate, but one remark is that the figures are made of plastic. I decided also for the Corel as I have better experiance with Corel than with Billing Boats. See my buildlog I enjoyed your modifications to the bow and the gallery, I noticed this just in time as I am starting with that part now. Edited February 19, 2013 by JanV 1 tamburash reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #16 Posted February 19, 2013 JanV, I think that that you will be happy with the Corel as most errors, as you noted, can be eliminated as you build. With so many photos available it will be easy to adapt the Corel. The only real issues are with the gilded pieces that are for all-intense-and-purposes mostly wrong. Nonetheless this example can be spectacular. I have noted your build so far. I'm very impressed. I'm looking forward to seeing your progress. Enjoy MJD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #17 Posted February 19, 2013 Here are examples on how I decided to do the Gallery framing. It was labor intensive but I sorta like the results. I did use balsa to do the "castings" Very easy to shape. 8 dgbot, popeye the sailor, avsjerome2003 and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #18 Posted February 20, 2013 Here are some modifications that I have made to the stern of the Corel Wasa. It was woefully incorrect. It is still not "right" but I think that this is an improvement over the "out of the box" build. I had initially been prepared to build, right from the instructions, and I did so. But as I proceeded I became dissatisfied and re-did certain sections. The stern was my first change, as this part did not effect other already assembled areas. I am alson now removing the rear windows, as they are too wide, don't have enough inner frames and, they dont allow for the correct amount od soldiers standing along side. Though I think that this won't change. The problem lies within Corel's too narrow stern sizing. This was unavoidable, even before the start, because it would have been impossible to see this outcome before construction. Also the gilded pieces that I used are not correct, but (:-) so it goes.I don't know how to add comments with each photo, but this progresses from the original kit through my mods. PS: The chain is hanging because it will be replaced with a black one. Though I think that in the 16th cent. they might have used rope? Does anyone know (:-) 11 jdbradford, dafi, dgbot and 8 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #19 Posted February 23, 2013 I'm posting in retrospect. Close to catching up to the effort so far. Please note that the plain cannons are the ones that come with the kit. I will be replacing the deck cannons with the one in the pic. Not Swedish, but closer to the actual ones. I will also alter the carriages to more closely represent those from the ship. This, only my second build, has been really helped by all of the available data. Data that are so helpful. I am also learning a lot from seeing some of your projects. Oh my some of you are astonishing artists. 12 Harvey, avsjerome2003, dafi and 9 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spud1 #20 Posted February 23, 2013 I have learned a lot from your build. You certainly are skilled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #21 Posted February 25, 2013 Spud1, Thanks, I appreciate your comments. I also am learning so much from the many great artists who post their work, and assembly techniques on this board. I'm really a novice, and I fear that I will never reach the artistry of many builders here. But in the meantime its fun. A great hobby. MJD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #22 Posted February 26, 2013 Oops, Decided to try again with the stern windows. The kit offerings were too wide, incorrectly framed, and just didn't look right. No solution has come to mind. But I need to make them thinner, and the framing has to be thought out again. Here are two pics. One of which is my original install and the other, of course, is the gutted out "to be fixed" pending solution. I also made a mistake with the gallery hight. Too late Mmmm. If anyone has any suggestions they would be surely appreciated (:-) MJD 8 igorsr, kier, popeye the sailor and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #23 Posted February 26, 2013 This set kinda brings some of the previous work up to date. In retrospect I see errors, but I'm my own worse critic. For example the toilets are very wrongly placed. The anchor rope outlets are not correct. Lastly the lower supporting longitudinal bowsprit braces need to be re-worked. The tips cracked, and look rough.So my repair list keeps growing. However I'm seeing such fabulous work on this site; such a pleasure to see; I am learning so much. For example rigging Mmmm there are so many experts here. Thanks to all of you who post your updates, lov em. MJD 9 igorsr, Kevin, zoly99sask and 6 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Sea Dog #24 Posted February 27, 2013 MJD, I think we all tend to be our own worse critics. In case you don't see it, your work shows a great deal of artistry. The top view of the bow is stunning! I have the Billings version of this on the shelf but I'm trying to build up the chops to do it justice before I attempt it. I'm learning a lot from you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #25 Posted February 27, 2013 Buck, Your very kind words are much appreciated. Thank you. I am also learning from so many here at MSW. I will need a lot of prompting when I get to both sets of rigging...down the road The Billings kit is very accurate. I've seen photos of some beautifully built examples. It also looks great with sails. Good luck. Look forward to your postings after you "take a deep breath" and start... Michael D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JanV #26 Posted February 28, 2013 nice done that bowsprit. I am going to use your pictures as reference for mine. I have remade the parts in wallnut wood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulises Victoria #27 Posted February 28, 2013 Michael... you are definitely putting a lot of extra effort in your build. Makes me feel like I'm a lazy fellow. I did some modifications in my build, but nothing compared to what you're doing. One thing I thought was that this is a 30+ year old kit. There was not so much information on this ship back then as there is now.. starting with the colors. I wouldn't paint my ship the way it was originally painted, mind you. I will keep following your build. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiKri #28 Posted February 28, 2013 Interesting to see what you can do with a standard kit. I'm not so courageous and am building the kit without any modifications... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
md1400cs #29 Posted March 1, 2013 Ulises Victoria, You make a very good point. It did not occur to me that Corel released this kit before the resurrection. Now, of course, there are so much data available. One would think that Corel would update their kit? Had it not been for all of the museum photos I would have built the ship right out of the box. Which would have still made for a beautiful model ship. I have seen several "out of the box" examples that are very beautiful. One of which has sails...very nice indeed. As for other hobbies adding details can be a lot of fun. I'm thinking of model aircraft and model cars. Michael D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andre #30 Posted March 3, 2013 Very impressive indeed! I will be following your build intensely, as I am building a Wasa from Corel as well. I chose to paint it as best as I can according to the model in the Stockholm museum. I have recently made the bow section, also little bit adjusted from the Corel drawings, but yours is really stunning!! Andre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites