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Your scratchbuilt carriage lots fantastic Michael B)  B) Absolutely no comparison with Corel's offering.The cannons look far more inkeeping with Vasa,nothing wrong with Corel's example,just not right for this time period.I have a feeling I have seen those cannon's somewhere else ;)

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

Nigel,

 

Thanks much appreciated, Yes you have seen these cannons before. Here is the link for my source. Very nice people, I have traded with them several times. Quickly crossing the pond, and my continent is never an issue, now that the days of Imperial Airways is over.

 

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/amati-cannon-barrels.html

 

 

Michael

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Hi Michael

 

Yes I have a container full of them for my SOTS build :)  :)  :) I think short of ordering from A.Banarov in the Ukraine,they are the nicest decorative cannons on the market.

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

Nigel,

 

Would you have a link to his website? I Googled A.Banarov   and it linked me back to MSW on a thread about casting one's own cannons, but nothing about this source. I would like to take a look at this vender's products. Thanks in advance

 

Michael

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Agree with Nigel, those kit supplied carriages are too chunky.  Much better to scratch build them.

Brian,

 

Thanks so much for looking in, as well as commenting. I so appreciate it.

 

I have seen one example of your (on MSW) rarely seen work ! It would be so nice if you posted pics. more often. I understand, as you have stated, that you might not be a "tech" friendly type of guy, but we are all missing on your very nice art. You are very knowledgeable. Please share (:-)

But none-the-less thanks for dropping by.

 

Regards,

 

MIchael

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Michael,

I am impressed, as always, with your level of detail! And I am lucky that I am a few steps behind you, so that I can learn from your experiences.

Do you plan to paint the guns and/or the carriages?

 

regards, Andre

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Nigel,

 

Thanks much appreciated, Yes you have seen these cannons before. Here is the link for my source. Very nice people, I have traded with them several times. Quickly crossing the pond, and my continent is never an issue, now that the days of Imperial Airways is over.

 

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/amati-cannon-barrels.html

 

 

Michael

Nigel,

 

OMG these cannons are the very top of the pyramid. So beautiful. What an artist ! Thanks for the link. Won't work for the Vasa, but for an SOS build,  Hmmmm

 

Michael

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Michael,

I am impressed, as always, with your level of detail! And I am lucky that I am a few steps behind you, so that I can learn from your experiences.

Do you plan to paint the guns and/or the carriages?

 

regards, Andre

Andre,

 

Thanks for dropping by, and thanks for the nice thoughts. I'm happy that this build is occasionally helpful for you. Your Vasa is so gorgeous. Your kit is by far the most accurate of the three available. No I will not paint the carriages, in keeping with the natural wood look of the build.If  I were to paint them red, they would (on my ship) look a bit odd.

 

Also the carriages were made up of ten pieces of wood (Hocker) Oak actually. So keeping the wood natural the ten pieces that I tried to replicate should be visible a bit after sanding and building them up.

 

Michael

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Hi Michael

 

Just catching up on your build the Wasa, your details are very nice and good and there so many little details that you have added to your ship, she is one of a kind and a joy to watch you build her into such a fine ship,                                      ENJOY,

 

Regards   Lawrence

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Hi Michael

 

Just catching up on your build the Wasa, your details are very nice and good and there so many little details that you have added to your ship, she is one of a kind and a joy to watch you build her into such a fine ship,                                      ENJOY,

 

Regards   Lawrence

Lawrence,

 

Thanks for your encouraging remarks, I'm learning as I move along. Having fun with the cannon carriages. I'll post an update when I completely finish the first one. One which has already been modified several times just to get it just right. From that one, I can mirror the other thirteen, and really move forward.

 

Michael

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Hi Mates,

 

Been still busy with the weather deck carriages, and of course there are issues (aren't there always)?

 

My intensions are to also attempt to include the metal framings. Time consuming but a pleasant diversion from previous labors. This first carriage is still the prototype, so nothing is firmed up. Oh, I will use the Brass Black before installing the metal bits.

 

Corel, again, or is it me? [Here is the issue issue] have not allowed for a wider weather deck waste, so the carriages that I build are, when fitted towards the stern, too big. As you can see they overlap the gratings.

 

I tried to replicate them with the overhang lip that Landström has in his book. These long curved half-circle lips are also framed in the Vasa museum carriage reconstructions (though not for the weather deck) there is a pronounced overhang beyond the cap end of the gun.

 

So, I have downsized a second carriage, this may be a solution, or I may use smaller cannons and build four appropriately sized carriages. I do note that the 1/10th weather deck carriages do not have long overhangs, Hmmmmm.??

 

Still a work in progress, but thought that I would share Thanks so much for your visits, they are always so appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Michael

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Hi Micheal, could you reverse positions with the two gun carraiges and take a photo,to see how the shorter one looks nearer the grating,Edwin

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Sorry Michael but will be a problem when you add the wheels? Will it be an addition of 3-4 mm in height? Maybe to diminish the height of the carriage and to make the gouge carrying the cannon more deeper could be helpful.

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Hi Michael  

 

Your cannons are sure looking great, to bad that you are having just a we bit of trouble with the gun carriages. I but you will find a correct solution shortly and correct it very shortly.                 ENJOY 

 

Regards   Lawrence

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Mates,

 

Thanks for your input, and suggestions. I think that things will be sort-of salvageable.

 

Edwin: here is a pic of the carriages reversed. Much better, indeed. I will shorten it still at least 1 mm or so.

 

Ferit and Nigel: Yes, I knew (as I was building the new carriages) that, as a result, some of the ports would open too low. I initially intended on only purchasing after-market cannons, and using kit provided carriages. Then I evolved, learned more, studied source materials, and improved my skills. I was also going to install cannons of two different sizes. I don't remember why?? All things past come back to occasionally haunt when there is a lack of foresight.

 

Yes, I sadly realized, after the first new carriage, that I now have a new problem. I will need to lower the upper carriage frames a bit. But in doing so I will loose the proper carriage "boxy" proportions. As well as the proper positioning of a small transverse beam upon which the inboard end of the cannon rests (also used for aiming). See enclosed museum pic. Hmmm

 

I can't, at this point, heighten the existing ports so carriages will need to sit lower, and trimmed at the top. I can :Fudge" a bit with the wheels, as well as a minor thinning of the lower frame thickness. All of these compromises are just that.

 

Nigel: Yes, I also realized that on "push back" there was no room for re-loading.

 

But (Question?) did not cannons also have to be turned at an angle in order for the gunners to insert that long wooden-rammer with new balls or cleaning after the last firing? I'm ignorant of all of this.

 

If that were the case then my spacing after re-sizing the carriages (which I will shorten just a bit more) may not be such a big visual mistake? Just asking (:-) Oh, yes those smaller cannons won't work. I will use 14 all of the same size.

 

Thanks for your suggestions and comments, they are always very appreciated and kindly taken.

 

Michael

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Hi Michael

 

The cannons only need to come back far enough to provide workroom for the gun crew.The end of the rammer would have been poked out the gunport then fed into the cannon.I think if you can get the 'room' to two feet or around 8mm in your scale that would be feasable.

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

Nigel,

 

Thanks for the clarification, and the information.  

 

I will follow your advice and assume 8mm as "enough scaled room". I will build two smaller carriages (oversizing them just a tad) and then position them at those last positions on each side of the weather deck, mounted with smaller cannons.

 

The larger guns just won't work, even with the Corel included smaller carriages. So a custom approach would have been needed in any case. The second pic. has an 8mm reference piece of wood.

 

As usual an always big thanks for your active visits, and suggestions to my build log, very kind of you.

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

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Nigel,

 

Yes I did misunderstand. Thanks for the input input Well, for the four most rearward cannons, so be it. It seems as though, however, that I may not be the only Vasa kit builder with this dilemma irrespective of manufacturer.

 

So this issue is still to be resolved, and is a work in mental progress. I may opt for those smaller guns, and build small carriages. At this point I remain irritated, and may move on to an other area.

 

Also, when I look at photos of the 1/10th, that has some very long weather deck guns, It would seem to be a problem for them as well? As always thanks for your sage input.

 

Speaking of guns I finally received those four stern swivel guns that I had ordered. I may segue and install those in the interim. A nice part of this hobby; One can meander all over the place, exclusive of when it comes the time to rig. That needs to be specifically ordered.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

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Hello Mates,

 

I think that I'm becoming boring for some of you here, BUT I think that I have resolved the weather deck cannon carriage issues.

 

1)  reduced their length front and rear

2)  lowered and deepened the upper groove, in which the cannons pivot

3)  "tucked in" the wheels a bit closer to the under frame. Not right I know !!

4) will install two smaller guns on each side towards the stern, and built four smaller carriages.

 

 

A BIG thanks to Nigel, and to B.E. (got an email but your quote did not post?) Both of you, as usual were very kind in helping me. Also thanks to all of the kind folks who drop in, click or just look in -- Thanks so much (:-)

 

So it should work out. I won't post any more silly cannon issues until they are set for metal bits, wheels, and installation. Though as I have mentioned I know that these cannons are not "Vasa" types nor the correct lengths. But they look a heck of a lot better than kit included generic cannons IMO.

 

Regards,

 

MIchael

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Hi Michael

 

Great job on your cannons, with all of your efforts the sure have turned very nice. You sure are turning your ship into a master piece,                                               ENJOY.

 

Regards   Lawrence

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Hi Michael

 

Great job on your cannons, with all of your efforts the sure have turned very nice. You sure are turning your ship into a master piece,                                               ENJOY.

 

Regards   Lawrence

Lawrence,

 

Thanks so much for your underserved compliment. You are so kind. There are so many masterpieces at MSW that are allowing me to learn as I progress. I'm touched. I have certainly improved my skills from emulating real masters here (:-)  thanks again so nice.......

 

Michael

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Hi Mates,

 

I took a detour from the carriages to install four swivel guns at the stern. According to Landström these would have eventually been mounted.

 

Needed to deepen the shallow openings a bit more, easy enough.

 

Then prepared the guns by modifying the mounting pins using small brass nails. I flattened the round heads as well. You will note that I made small wood mounting bits, but it turns out that, what do they say? "You can't put a square peg into a round hole". They did not fit.

 

Luckily the guns were easy to insert and "mount" in a believable fashion without the use of wooden bits.

 

Next, I used an aluminum tube to make the four small decorative rings. I used that material because of its softness, and the rings were to be painted in any case.

 

Fairly simple used a rod cutter for an initial deep groove, then on to the sander to thin the tip. Lastly back to the cutter for a couple of delicate turns, a bit of detailing and then paint. 

 

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OK back to the carriages. As always thanks for dropping by.

 

Regards,

 

Michael

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Hi Mates,

 

Still working, very slowly, on the carriages. This post is in the form of a question. Would any of you kind soles have a "perfect" idea on how I might replicate the axle stops so that the wheels won't fall off?

 

The small pieces that I am using for the axle supports that attach vertically to the carriage are a bit too wide to be added to the axles as keys. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

I do know that most, who are kind enough to drop-in do so silently, but any ideas that have worked for you would be a treat.

 

I will also post this in the general section.

 

 

Michael

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Hola Michael,

 

probably you can make very small holes using gauge 78 (0.016in or 0.406mm)  to 80 (0.014in or 0.343mm) drills and then using brass wire of the appropriate size.

 
Saludos
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Hi Michael

 

Great job you are doing on your ship, you sure having it looking supper, it would be very hard to give you more ideas as you seam to have so many of your own,  All I can offer is keep going the way that you have been, go with your heart and things will always work out,                                                              ENJOY.

 

Regards   Lawrence

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Great as always Michael.

Finally detailed gun carriages are coming... Pleasure... :)

My opinion is as detailed as possible are especially the guns and carriages, more beautiful is the overall view...

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Hola Michael,

 

probably you can make very small holes using gauge 78 (0.016in or 0.406mm)  to 80 (0.014in or 0.343mm) drills and then using brass wire of the appropriate size.

 
Saludos

 

Karl,

 

Thanks. I did just order some small drill bits from Amazon. The wire seems to be the overwhelming idea. Thanks for your input.

 

Michael

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Hi Michael

 

Apologies for not being around much of late and missing your last update.Excellent work on the swivel guns,they look fabulous B)  B) I too would have suggested wire for the axles,at this scale a representation rather than exact replication is more than adequate.Tip for drilling the holes,drill a hole in a small wooden block for the axle to slide in,then drill a hole through the block to act as a guide for drilling the pin holes.This will make it easy to keep them central and stop the drill from wondering due to the curved surface of the axle ;)

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

Nigel, Brilliant ! I will do just as you suggested.  As always, thanks.

 

Michael

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