highlanderburial Posted October 2, 2022 Share #1 Posted October 2, 2022 On another thread I mentioned that I got inspired by reading a recent book about a little-known vessel that was pressed into the West Africa Squadron to fight the slave trade. The name sounds terribly racist, but it has nothing to do with that; the ship was named after an incredibly bawdy and raunchy pub song which I will not make reference to here! I will not go much into the back story but if you want to pick it up here is the Amazon link: The Black Joke: The True Story of One Ship's Battle Against the Slave Trade: Rooks, A.E.: 9781982128265: Amazon.com: Books I looked at several kits to try and modify including the Occre kit Dos Amigos (Which the Black Joke actually captured!) The Dos Amigos had some pretty stark differences, so I decided not to go with it. (I did buy the kit anyway...) Trying to get plans were pretty difficult but someone on this site suggested that Chappelle had dug up some plans in Norway (or somewhere in greater Scandanavia...) and put them in his book "The Search for Speed Under Sail". I digitized the plans in 8.5 x 11 format from the book. The measurements on the vessel identically matched those of the Black Joke. The vessel in Chappelle's book was not the actual ship (the deck fittings were not correct for the Joke) it was VERY likely a sister ship built in Baltimore. The scale I decided on was 1/50. This put the length of the model at 21.84 inches and 6.36 inches at max beam. The plans were then blown up to the proper size. I then used tracing paper to cut out the keel and deck. I then started to cut out a few of the frames before I ran out of steam on the evening. If anyone has suggestions as this is my first TRUE scratch-build I am open for pointers and pitfalls. Black Joke Work Sheet Hull Forward.pdf archjofo, Rik Thistle, Tony Hunt and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted October 2, 2022 Share #2 Posted October 2, 2022 I read that book, too, and had the same thought that the ship would make an interesting modeling project. It'll be neat to follow along on this. I enjoyed the book overall, though it was pretty clear the author knew nothing about nautical affairs and hadn't bothered to run the book by anyone who did. But the history itself was interesting. mtaylor and highlanderburial 2 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted October 2, 2022 Share #3 Posted October 2, 2022 9 hours ago, highlanderburial said: Trying to get plans were pretty difficult Have you researched similar ships on the RMG site? There are a number of plans of brigs at the Collections site as well as scantlings from David Steel (1805) for similar sized ships. The drawings you show may be spot on though. Regardless, this sounds like a very interesting project. Allan bruce d, mtaylor and highlanderburial 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share #4 Posted October 9, 2022 Some decent work cutting bulkheads. It can be tedious transferring it a couple times. I tried to save wood by flipping the frames but I ended up putting the groove on the wrong side. Measure 2x cut CORRECTLY The first time.... mtaylor, bruce d, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted October 9, 2022 Share #5 Posted October 9, 2022 Looks like you are making progress, should be an attractive model when finished. Just a point to satisfy my curiosity: have you allowed for the camber of the deck? From the photos, especially photo #3, it seems the tops of the bulkheads are at full height for the intended level of the finished deck. If you have not glued them in place yet I suggest you cut the camber before assembly as it will be much easier than trying to do so after they are glued up. The camber will be the same along the whole length of the deck so a simple jig should make quick work of all the bulkheads. Use the curve shown in the stern view. If you have this in hand already, ignore me 🤐. Interesting subject, I will be watching to see the progress of a fellow first-time scratch builder. Bruce highlanderburial and mtaylor 1 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted October 9, 2022 4 hours ago, bruce d said: Looks like you are making progress, should be an attractive model when finished. Just a point to satisfy my curiosity: have you allowed for the camber of the deck? From the photos, especially photo #3, it seems the tops of the bulkheads are at full height for the intended level of the finished deck. If you have not glued them in place yet I suggest you cut the camber before assembly as it will be much easier than trying to do so after they are glued up. The camber will be the same along the whole length of the deck so a simple jig should make quick work of all the bulkheads. Use the curve shown in the stern view. If you have this in hand already, ignore me 🤐. Interesting subject, I will be watching to see the progress of a fellow first-time scratch builder. Bruce Bruce, This is my first true scratch for a wood from plans. Any help is ALWAYS appreciated. The plans showed me the underside of the main deck and I subtracted a microscopic amount from that prior to cutting the bulkheads. I freely admit that the guys in my club make this look FAR easier than it really is but even if this only goes this far I have already gotten over my apprehension of "lofting" bulkheads from plans. The stern looks like the most daunting part right now as the stern chine follows the sheer pretty boldly. In many of the books I have seen the ships had a gun deck so the stern seemed easier. I think I am probably worrying over nothing but I will collide with that bridge when I get there! 😀 CiscoH, Cathead, bruce d and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share #7 Posted October 24, 2022 More work progressing. I added frame supports and under deck mast block wood. I had to plan out where the hatches were to lower the stiffeners. I also started beveling the frames and began the first layer planking near the keel to stiffen the frames prior to further shaping and sanding. bruce d, archjofo, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share #8 Posted November 17, 2022 More planking and a thin deck veneer was added. I admit I did not plan this out as well as I should have! GrandpaPhil, Prowler901, bruce d and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted November 20, 2022 Share #9 Posted November 20, 2022 Hi Highlanderburial It appears you did not mark out the plank widths at each bulkhead which may be part of the problem. The width of the plank is dynamic as it goes from the stem to the stern. If you have not already done so maybe consider studying David Antscherl's planking writeup here in the MSW Articles archive and Chuck Passaro's videos on planking and you will have an easier time of it on the next planking job. Allan mtaylor, hexnut and bruce d 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted January 16, 2023 The initial hull is complete and shaped. I will be adding a "dressier" plank layer with copper. Overall the shape of the hull is fascinating with some serious tumble home on the very thin stern. It transitions much like powered craft would in a very "tear drop" fashion. It really looks like it should have a propeller. I have started shaping the bulwarks but will not be installing until the deck is laid. Yes those are nails. No I did not pound them in! Cathead, bruce d, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted January 19, 2023 Author Share #11 Posted January 19, 2023 I opted for 6 ish inch planks as that seems to have been standard deck plank size on post 1812 Baltimore Clippers of the time period. This means the wood size is roughly 3mm. I am using basswood and painting one edge black. I have laid the king plank and drilled the mast holes. I am taking the planking slowly as I tend to screw this part up. CiscoH, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted January 21, 2023 Author Share #12 Posted January 21, 2023 First row getting fastened. I will be using the American 3 offset plank with the 6 inch planks fastening scheme. I have cut the butt joints and will be drilling the fastener holes. Prowler901, Cathead, GrandpaPhil and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share #13 Posted January 22, 2023 I wanted to try treenails so I dyed a bunch of toothpicks with light brown acrylic maple stain. So far it seems promising. I pre drilled the holes and stuck the picks in gently and then when both were inserted I used more force. I used some flush nippers to cut the picks off pretty close to flush. At first the stain looked drastic but after a quick sanding the effect was nice. Prowler901, bruce d, GrandpaPhil and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share #14 Posted February 23, 2023 More planks more progress. Sorry I have been busy outside of the hobby with work and home stuff. CiscoH, Cathead, Prowler901 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share #15 Posted March 14, 2023 Yet more deck work at a grueling slow pace. I like it so far though. mtaylor, Cathead, GrandpaPhil and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share #16 Posted March 31, 2023 More planks more picks! bruce d, archjofo, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted March 31, 2023 Share #17 Posted March 31, 2023 Hi Todd, What is the diameter of the holes you drilled for the treenails? Typically deck treenails were about 0.75" diameter so at your scale, 0.015" (0.4mm) Allan mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted April 1, 2023 Author Share #18 Posted April 1, 2023 I think I was shooting for around 1 inch treenail heads. The drill bit is a .5 so the nails will likely be a skosh big for hitting .75. I would love to say I was factoring in for the white glue but I think this was the drill head I had at hand... CiscoH and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted April 10, 2023 Author Share #19 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) Slow and steady. I added a slew more treenails to the deck especially near the plank butts. I sanded the nubs down flush. I then took a rag with some thinner and actually got to see what it looked like. There are still several spots that still need some more nails but overall I am happy with the effect. Edited April 10, 2023 by highlanderburial Typo CiscoH, bruce d, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share #20 Posted April 17, 2023 I got the channels installed Small jumps! I measured out the pivot gun ring and marked it on deck. I started on the bulwark frames. archjofo, Cathead, CiscoH and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted May 1, 2023 Author Share #21 Posted May 1, 2023 Slooooow progress... Bulwark beams finished and rough transom put in place. bruce d, Cathead and CiscoH 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted May 8, 2023 Author Share #22 Posted May 8, 2023 (edited) I got the initial bulwark planking in place. This was kind of a "do or die" for me on this model. Fortunately this came out well and I will be looking to build the cap rail soon. I also did a lot of lay out work on how the steering gear will work. This ship will have a wheel with drum and block tiller system. I noticed after looking at the plans several times that the cover on the steering tiller seemed pretty wide and oversized. I then remembered that this vessel has a stern launched small boat. This would be a platform that the crew could stand on while prepping the boat and staying out of the tiller swing radius. It also gives the crew a step up to get up to the davits. I also did some more sanding and prepped the hull for the next plank layer. Edited May 8, 2023 by highlanderburial Ryland Craze, mtaylor, bruce d and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share #23 Posted September 26, 2023 One of the major stumbling points on the project when I am not able to get down to the shop and work with wood is I wanted a decent pivot gun for the vessel. There really are none for sale that match this time period. On one of the forums here another user posted some amazing pics of a computer drawn version of the exact pivot gun I was looking for. Still there were no actual CAD files I could directly print from so I chipped away at sculpting my own. I finished modeling the gun, carriage and rail (with super challenging chamfer supports). Here are some pics. I have it on the printer right now and will post pics when complete. To be clear the last pic is not mine it is found by putting in a search on MSW for 18 lb pivot gun and you will see the thread. bruce d, Cathead, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote_6 Posted September 26, 2023 Share #24 Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) The metal ring looks alot like a piston ring for an internal combustion engine (motorcycle, lawnmower, small car). If one could find the right size the carriage build would be pretty straightforward? Really cool project and deck planking! Edited September 26, 2023 by Coyote_6 mtaylor, bruce d and highlanderburial 3 Quote Steve Launched: USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN 71 (1/720, Plastic) USS Missouri, BB 63 (1/535 Plastic) In Dry Dock: Prince de Neufchatel, New York 1812 (1/58, Wood) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlanderburial Posted November 4, 2023 Author Share #25 Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) Lag on the project again. I got the 3d prints done. I needed to fiddle with the supports to get it to come out correct. No paint yet but the here is the prototype. Edited November 4, 2023 by highlanderburial Photo issue chris watton, Coyote_6, Cathead and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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