RGL Posted February 7, 2023 Share #1 Posted February 7, 2023 I need to do something different, this 6” gun is a 3D print from Panzer Concepts in the US. As usual I’ve overcapitalised and bought 2 Holt tractors for it. I gave away my Yamato and the bloke didn’t need the base so I thought this would be perfect for it Canute, Baker, ccoyle and 9 others 12 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share #2 Posted February 7, 2023 Now some references cog, Jack12477, Egilman and 7 others 10 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted February 7, 2023 And the tractors Canute, GrandpaPhil, FriedClams and 12 others 15 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 7, 2023 Share #4 Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, RGL said: Now some references It's a very nice model... The Holt 75 was one of the prime movers for it, the Holt 150 and the Standard "B" Liberty Truck were the others The Holt 75 pulled everything the AEF had at one time or another, your images show the Mk VI 8" howitzer the GPF 155mm gun and the 9.2" howitzer in it's triple train.... It's a shame the 6" never got to be used in actual combat... Going to be an excellent build.... I'm in... (wouldn't miss it for the world) Edited February 8, 2023 by Egilman Canute, mtaylor, RGL and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted February 7, 2023 Share #5 Posted February 7, 2023 Oh Hello, good to see you away from wet related objects - good to see you in the alternative section - following with interest Greg. OC. FriedClams, Jack12477, Egilman and 5 others 8 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share #6 Posted February 7, 2023 The configuration is really cool, as one tractor rows the barrel and the second Carrie’s the frame Old Collingwood, mtaylor, king derelict and 6 others 9 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted February 7, 2023 Share #7 Posted February 7, 2023 This is going to be spectacular Alan Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood, Egilman and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted February 7, 2023 Share #8 Posted February 7, 2023 Looking forward! Edwardkenway, popeye the sailor, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolmaker Posted February 7, 2023 Share #9 Posted February 7, 2023 Lovely 3D printing detail and the opportunities for a diorama seem endless. I’m looking forward to seeing what you do with this beauty. Thank you Paul Edwardkenway, Canute, king derelict and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted February 8, 2023 I’m sorry, it whilst it’s massive it’s pretty cool Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Baker and 10 others 13 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 8, 2023 Share #11 Posted February 8, 2023 17 hours ago, RGL said: The configuration is really cool, as one tractor rows the barrel and the second Carrie’s the frame I'm sure they did it that way when necessary, but the standard train for the 6" 1905 Gun was the Carriage on its limber pulled by the Holt tractor or a Standard "B" 5 ton truck with the Barrel transport wagon on it's limber hooked up to the carriage while carrying the gun barrel.... The second tractor or truck would be hauling a couple of caissons and the tool/repair wagon hooked as a train as well... They would then have a couple of two or three ton trucks to haul the crew... The FWD or the Nash would be a good period piece to represent this.... The Officers were usually riding in a White command (reconnaissance) car.... There were other pieces included in the train as well but not too many pics of them out there and they would have to be scratch built, (the forge trailer, the gun director trailer and parts trailer.... An artillery train for a full battery would consist of over 50 vehicles to haul four guns with all their accoutrements... A full artillery battalion would be over 250 vehicles for 12-16 guns.... Only four vehicles we had could haul the heavy gun trains, the Holt 75 & 150 tractors, the Standard "B" 5 ton Truck and the Mack AC 5 ton or ten ton.... This is according to the US Army Manual of Artillery dated November 1918... Just after the armistice.... I have a copy of it if you would like it... EG Canute, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share #12 Posted February 8, 2023 Yes please. My plan is to tow it in this configuration as it looks good, using 2 holt’s mtaylor, Egilman, Jack12477 and 6 others 9 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 8, 2023 Share #13 Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, RGL said: Yes please. My plan is to tow it in this configuration as it looks good, using 2 holt’s Excellent! I'll also add the 1920 version as well... That will give you an idea of what we had at the armistice and then three years later when we adopted the best of such equipment as standard issue and disposed of the rest... I think you will do this piece justice.... They went overseas in dark navy grey overall, and in the midst of the battalion getting trained they were being painted in the standard pattern agreed upon by the allies of the time, Dirt Brown, (dark kahki) Medium Green (British Army Green in irregular splotches) and the resulting splotches bordered by 4" black stripes.... and of course everything that touched the ground was splattered in muted mud brown liquid with chunks of sticky mud stuck to everything on and around the underbelly.... {chuckle} if anyone can do it justice you can brother... Here's an example... They are both 6" naval guns the front one is the 1905 on the M1917 carriage depicted in the kit with the standard camo applied, the rear gun is a 6" M1903 naval gun on the same carriage in it's shipping paint of dark Navy Grey... This is going to be a fantastic build... 1918 Handbook of Ordanace Data.pdf Handbook of artillery including mobile, anti-aircraft and trench materiel 1920.pdf Edited February 8, 2023 by Egilman Jack12477, GrandpaPhil, Edwardkenway and 7 others 9 1 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted February 8, 2023 Share #14 Posted February 8, 2023 Nice models. It will be a pleasure to follow. popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood, FriedClams and 6 others 9 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch To do : Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted February 9, 2023 Share #15 Posted February 9, 2023 Looking forward to this build. I'm in. Egilman, king derelict, popeye the sailor and 5 others 8 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 11, 2023 Author Share #16 Posted February 11, 2023 So I got a lot of warping but once I got my head around what I need to do I but the bullet and made a start. This set is so cool. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, king derelict and 14 others 17 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 11, 2023 Share #17 Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, RGL said: once I got my head around what I need to do Yep, hot water soak and light persuasion usually brings it back into shape.... Nice start.... Edwardkenway, king derelict, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted February 11, 2023 Share #18 Posted February 11, 2023 Why did they move this in 2 pieces? Was this due to overall weight and pulling capacity of these tow vehicles? Other guns moved as one,unit, didn't they? popeye the sailor, Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 11, 2023 Share #19 Posted February 11, 2023 11 hours ago, Canute said: Was this due to overall weight and pulling capacity of these tow vehicles? Other guns moved as one,unit, didn't they? Short answer is kinda, they had the towing capacity for sure, the 10 ton & 20 ton holt tractors, The 5 & 10 ton Macks and the 5 Ton Standard B truck that could pull anything mostly it was cause the wheels on the carriages couldn't stand up to off road towing and they were predominantly non split trail carriages... (which were much lighter than a standard carriage) The light guns did move as one unit but still used caissons and limbers for mobility... The 9.2" howitzer broke down into three loads, the 8" Mk VI & VII as well the 240mm French Howitzer was three loads... The two PDF's I posted to Greg on the artillery earlier in the thread breaks this down in detail... In essence this was the period where they were transitioning from horse drawn to mechanized... At the start of the war they still hauled most of the artillery with horse teams.... In fact I'm going to do a horse team gun to go with my WWI artillery collection... Probably a French 75 in US service.... CDW, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 7 others 10 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted February 12, 2023 Share #20 Posted February 12, 2023 I took some photos of this massive shore battery that’s been on display here in my hometown all my life. If I remember correctly, it’s an 8 inch gun. The sheer size and weight of these old guns is incredible. Edwardkenway, Diver, GrandpaPhil and 12 others 14 1 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted February 12, 2023 Share #21 Posted February 12, 2023 This project really puts into perspective the enormous amount of fire power that could be packed into a WWI era Dreadnought Battleship. A battleship’s secondary armament might include 8-12 of the slightly smaller 5in guns in addition to it’s 12-16in main armament. RGL, Canute, Old Collingwood and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted February 12, 2023 Share #22 Posted February 12, 2023 Heavy and siege artillery pieces were usually broken down into several loads, as not only towing-capacity was limited before the around the mid-1930s, but also the load-bearing capacity of roads and bridges, not talking about moving them across fields. The Austrians had a 38 cm siege howitzer designed in 1916, which was broken down into four loads: Barrel 38 t, carriage 33 t, and two lower carriage/foundation trucks of around 37 t each. It took 8 to 20 hours to prepare the foundation in soft ground and several days on rock. Assembly of the gun took 6 to 8 hours. One of them is preserved in the Army Museum (Heeresgeschichtliche Museum) in Vienna. If I remember correctly, they used a diesel-electric tractor to have enough torque on the wheels. king derelict, Edwardkenway, Jack12477 and 8 others 11 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share #23 Posted February 15, 2023 So after the beauty of the 3D print, the Roden tractors are going to fight me the whole way like my Zvezda Borodino. Misaligned and more flash than a pimp. Canute, Old Collingwood, king derelict and 8 others 11 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 15, 2023 Share #24 Posted February 15, 2023 I have three of them as well and after looking them over, I have to admit it going to take some work to bring the tractors up to the level of the gun as far as crisp clean detail.... But I'm sure you can do it.... Jack12477, Canute, Baker and 7 others 10 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share #25 Posted February 15, 2023 I have a lot of files, I’m giving them a massive work out. I’m dreading the first primer coat. Jack12477, Canute, mtaylor and 7 others 10 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share #26 Posted February 15, 2023 The undercarriage of the Holt Tractors. It’s a really cool design by Rodin poorly made. I added a few rivets to the front steering wheel Egilman, Canute, popeye the sailor and 8 others 11 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share #27 Posted February 15, 2023 So the undercarriage is done. Most wind be visible once the upper body and tracks are on. Jack12477, popeye the sailor, king derelict and 8 others 11 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted February 16, 2023 Share #28 Posted February 16, 2023 3 hours ago, RGL said: So the undercarriage is done. Most wind be visible once the upper body and tracks are on. When I get around to mine, I probably wouldn't go that far..... Nice work.... mtaylor, Edwardkenway, FriedClams and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share #29 Posted February 16, 2023 Thanks, there are a heap of reference photos of her. I got some aftermarket rivets as the kit ones are so damn rough. Here’s a good one of the underside FriedClams, Edwardkenway, Ras Ambrioso and 9 others 12 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted February 16, 2023 Share #30 Posted February 16, 2023 I am always a bit surprised, how 'spidery' early US American tractors look in comparison to their European cousins. I gather they used more fabricated parts than castings. Egilman, Canute, Edwardkenway and 5 others 8 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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