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I have patiently carved eleven different dolphins, and I think that the one on the copper penny is just about what I want. The two above the penny were iterations #8 and #9... for some reason, I really liked the look of the carved wooden furniture dolphin below, specifically the big lips!

 

The dolphin on the penny needs some clean up work; I was very frustrated at my ability to make nice, thin, sweeping curves of the tail fins - see iterations #8 and #9! However, I discovered that a very small woodworking gouge that has a shallow curve could allow me to do a much better job than with my #11 Xacto blade. I currently have a 4mm wide shallow curve gouge, and I am patiently waiting for the delivery of several smaller gouges: 1.5mm, 2mm, and 3mm. I know that will allow me to finish off the tail with nice, long fins as I visualized in my drawing, and also thin the body.

 

I also want to add texture on the head ala the "mane" on my drawing and where the small pectoral fin is be in the drawing. I experimented with Apoxie Sculpt, and the tiniest ball of maybe 1mm flattens out into an oval, and lets me mark some very fine striations in it - much easier for me than attempting that in plastic. So I just have to be patient until the gouges arrive later this week.

 

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I settled on a dolphin carving that I can live with. The very small curved wood gouges arrived and they did allow me to make very fine curves on the tail fins. However... even in 0.75mm thick styrene sheet, those very fine fins were way too fragile, They broke while unmoulding, they broke while removing the resin casting from the mould, etc.

 

The fins were strong enough at 1.0mm styrene sheet thickness, but that was getting too thick and out of scale for what I wanted. I made the tail section and the fins a little thicker for strength, and now are they strong enough for the moulding and casting process using 0.75mm thick sheet.

 

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This is the first resin cast, not cleaned up yet. So now to finish the left hand dolphin, and then I can start making 25 or so sets of dolphins for the upper gun deck gun ports.

 

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I don't think that I can do any better on the dolphin pair, if only for the reason that the very fine details are lost in the resin casting... and you would need a magnifying glass in hand to get close enough to the master carvings to even see those details. You may notice that the left hand dolphin is getting some dental work (done after I made a test resin casting), as the mouth structure didn't quite match the right hand dolphin. I have a little bit of cleanup work to do, but I won't get carried away.

 

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I made these resin castings before I started the mouth surgery on the left hand dolphin, just to see if the were close enough to be twins. These are straight from the casting mould with no cleanup or detailing - I simply wanted to see the Big Picture.

 

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I think they are close enough that I can start making a bunch of castings this weekend, and it will likely take several days to clean up the 20+ pairs of dolphins that will be needed to flank the upper gun deck ports. I also have several dozen fluer de lis resin castings, as I mull over exactly how I want to use them on the bulwarks.

 

I am thinking it may be as straightforward as a mass of fleur de lis as seen on the Royal Duc....

 

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Hi Eric - it is helpful to double-stick a piece of 150-grit paper to a sanding block, and then use your finger pad to press down lightly while sanding the backs of the castings.  This will accomplish two things.  It will neatly remove any flash, and it will give you a good mechanical bonding surface for the CA.

 

I don’t think your upper bulwark frieze has to be terribly complicated.  You could, however, add a little extra visual interest and a call-out to the name if the vessel, if you made sun castings with the dauphin at center.

 

You can actually pull this detail from the stock quarter galleries, and make really nice moulds - perhaps extracting the sun emblem first, and reducing its perimeter a little, for the sake of scale.  Just a thought.

 

 

We are all works in progress, all of the time.

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As I have said before, sometimes it is 1 step forward for me... and then 2 steps backwards. Take the dolphins that will bracket the uper deck gun ports. I was very happy with the right hand dolphin that I created from my vellum sketch. I drew the sketch, and then shrank it down to 10mm in size for a template. for the left hand dolphin, I just horizontally flipped the sketch.. but I simply couldn't draw a matching left hand dolphin to my satisfaction! I finally realized that my right hand dolphin, drawn first, had some tiny inconsistencies with the original sketch... so even if my left hand dolphin perfectly followed the sketch template, it wouldn't match. So I photocopied the right hand dolphin, flipped it horizontally, and then used that for my left hand dolphin. Go figure - that approach actually worked. I am happy with this pairing; even though there are some tiny differences (hint, for example, the eyebrows), it is next to impossible to see them at a normal viewing distance.

 

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And I am just fine with how the first test casting (they haven't been cleaned up) for the pair looks now...

 

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So, that means I am back to cranking out the various castings...

 

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I am also experimenting with Marc LaGuardia's suggestion, about having sun castings with the head of the dauphin sprinkled between the fleur de lis on the bulwarks. The kit suns are 10mm in dimater, and as Marc noted, they are just a little too big for scale. a 7-8mm sun seems to be much more appropriate... the sun on the right has the head of the dauphin on it... just a test (also cast from the kit decorations).

 

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Before I apply any of the decorations, the gun tackle bolts need to be put in place. I have 600 nails that have 0.6mm flat heads; I figured these would look like the large washers on the hull that secure the through. I was originally going to blacken them and install them after the hull painting, but that isn't going to work; they need to be installed now, and it doesn't make sense to blacken them, as a tiny dollop of black paint after hull painting will do the trick.

 

I made several jigs so I could have a precise, repeatable pattern despite the gun port holes being of varying sizes.

 

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Using the jigs, I simply drill a hole through the hull, insert the nail, and secure it with a bit of glue. You will note that I plugged my first attempt at a hole pattern (which I did many months ago in an amateurish way). It is going to take some time to make 400 holes or so - and when I get up to the gun ports that are visible on the inside of the ship, I obviously can't drill all of the way through the hull. I will make a shallower hole and snip of most of the length of the nail. The two dolphins haven't been cleaned, and I just laid them in place to get an idea of what they will look like.

 

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Sigh...on vacation for the last week, so no manual work on the ship. However, that early AM time with a cup or two of coffee AND before others are awake is a great time to think and ponder.

 

And one of those ideas for me is ..."before 1688, ship windows consisted of small, diamond shaped pieces, and not larger rectangular or square windows". As seen below in a 1668 drawing of Royal Louis...

 

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As I am trying to construct a plausible 1671 Soleil Royal, this idea is important for me. Some alternative design choices I have made, for example 1) a long, low Dutchy head, or 2) the lack of gangways are due to what I believe is the Dutch training and/or school of thought that Laurent Hubac emerged from. But the idea that windows were small, diamond shaped pieces of glass... that is resource driven and NOT a design choice.

 

If I were Marc LaGuardia, or John Ott, for example, I would launch into a doctoral worthy dissertation  that is both entertaining and informative...

 

"Window glass making has been around since the Roman Empire, but the glass pieces were thick, small, amd discolored. But they allowed some modicum of light in, whilst keeping the bugs out. And that was the extent of it for a millenia or two!

 

And then, the mouth-blown cylinder technique for making (somewhat) flat glass was developed in Germany sometime in the 11th century. This glass was called Broad Glass. The glass was blown into a balloon, but elongated enough that it resembled a cylinder (note that true Cylinder Glass developed centuries later). This cylinder was cut by shears while still hot and then flattened on an iron table. Finally! Relatively flat glass could be produced,  but... the but was the quality was poor and had many imperfections and was fairly opaque... but, it was getting flatter.

 

And then another mouth-blown technique was developed that the French perfected in the 14th century.. and they enjoyed a monopoly on this product for a century or two! The technique was called  Crown Glass. A blob of glass was blown into and then spun, with centrifugal force making a disc perhaps 3 feet in diameter. 

 

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However, the best glass was in the thin areas on the outside of the disc. The pictire below demonstrates the odd cuts that had to be made in order to get the best, thinnest glass on the edges.

 

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So if a large quantity of quality glass was required, small shapes from the edges of multiple discs had to be painstakingly assembled... the small, regular diamond shape was born. Not because of a design choice, but because of nessecity.

 

In 1688, the first technique was perfected - by the French again! - that was NOT mouth-blown and also produced flat, translucent glass. This was called Plate Glass and involved pouring molten glass on a special table. This made a flat sheet, but required much labor intensive polishing on both sides.

 

This glass technique made quality glass but at a price.. so it was relegated to the rich. Or.... the REALLY rich like a king... amd his ships? I find the year 1688 very convenient, as this starts to tie in with the Second Marine ships, and the rebuild of SR 1671...."

 

So there it is. I believe that all those early, magnificent ships... Soleil Royal, Royal Louis, Monarque and so on... they all had windows consisting of small, diamond-shaped pieces of glass. Not by choice, but because that is what they had.

 

So that is what I will do with my interpretation of SR 1671... ohh.. did I say I now just have to figure out a way to create windows from these tiny, 💎 shaped pieces?

 

By the way, the spot where the blowers tube left a mark like a belly button was considered junk fit for peasants. Can you imagine the value of a window like this now?!

 

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I am starting to carve my trophies of war that will be displayed between the middle gun deck ports. There are twelve "trophies" on the St. Philippe monograph, and conveniently, I have twelve spots that need filling... twelve trophies, two copies of each (and since they will be displayed on different sides of the ship, I don't have to agonize over making them identical as I had to do with the dolphin carvings.

 

Here is the end result of my first trophy of war pattern (there are some tiny corrections to make, but honestly they will be very difficult to observe at a normal viewing distance). Conveniently, the ship kit has six trophies of war featured on the quarter, but as shown below, they are just too big for me to use...

 

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It required about two hours of time to make the first two copies; I chose the easiest pattern to start! First, I had to settle on the appropriate size of the St. Philippe trophies so the tiny photocopies could be glued to styrene sheet.

 

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Conveniently, five of the twelve trophies use an identical shield, so my first step was to make ten shields (five face right, and the other five face left).

 

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The next step was to carve out a tiny helmet - my small wood gouges really helped with the curves here.

 

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And this is what the first trophy looks like overlaid on the 1:24 size copy. There is a tiny bit of cleanup work, but it will be very hard to see at normal viewing distance; I exaggerated the size of the crest on the helmet so that it could be seen. I even tried to make the protective cheek and ear flaps for the helmet, but they were so small and hard to see, I decided that step wasn't worth it. 

 

Now on to the second set of trophies; this will probably take 10-14 days to finish, but it will be worth it.

 

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I have become intrigued with the concept of "how small can things be accurately made..?"... for example, observing what Marc LaGuardia (Hubac's Historian) has accomplished on his build, as well as sources like Phillip Reed's books/videos..

 

So on to my second set of twelve total sets of trophies of war.... I had speculated that I would be done with all twelve sets in "10-12 days..."... ummmmm, not going to happen. 

 

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OK... I see the helmet is plain (I used Apoxie Sculpt to make the plume), and my spear points aren't pointy and half a dozen other flaws. However, when I remind myself that you can only add so much detail at this 1/100 scale, and that this is the view that people are going to see.... I can live with this and move on to the next. And you may note I ;eft off an axe head and the handle of a sword; I left them off as it madeit even more cluttered - and I figured the ridged detail of the quiver would attract the eye, anyway....

 

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I made the rolled up quiver a bit longer, as I wanted the eye to be drawn to the quiver. I glued 25mm lengths of 28 guage copper wire onto a 1.5mm half rod. And as Clint Eastwood observed.. "a man's got to know his limitations..", I knew that I couldn't apply the cross straps freehand. I had to make a jig to guide my pattern. 

 

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And after dousing the paper strips in thin set cyano, I ended up with a blank to cut my 4 pieces from to make two trophies of war. Then it was just a question of making the other parts of the trophy. I am just going to leave well enough alone and move on to the third set!

 

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Regarding how small can you accurately represent things? For some reason, I really got hung up on making a tiny gun tackle rod/washer on the outside of the hull, per this Dutch drawing that shows how a wedge was hammered in to hold things in place. However... I knew my limitations and no way could I attempt to make 400+ of these!!!

 

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Until I went back to Nigel's Soleil Royal build, and remembered he had ordered some beautiful cannon and gun carriages from Kris at Skutznik (Poland) who did 3D resin printing. So I contacted Kris... and am getting 110 cannon and 36 gun carriages (I will only use these carriages on the upper decks where they will be visible)! The cannon will be bore size and length appropriate, thus saving me weeks of time working on the kit pices to "beef" them up.

 

But then I had a thought.. how small can pieces be made? Could Kris make the gun tackle rod/washer/wedge at a tiny, tiny scale? He said that he would give it a try, and a week later.... I have ordered 500 total pieces from him! The washer is all of 0.026" in diameter, and the rod is only 0.011" in diameter. At normal viewing distance, you can just make out the wedge. I was already drilling 4 holes at every gun port to put my tiny copper nails in, where the round head would simulate the washer, and I was going to stop there. But instead of inserting nails in the holes, I will simply insert these pieces and have a rod/washer AND a wedge!

 

 

 

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Back to work on Trophies Of War after 10 day hiatus due to a Canadian fly-in fishing trip, etc. With all of the gear in the basement that needs unpacking... my attention strayed to the ship to finish my second set of TOW (2nd set of 12). As I contruct each set, I am attempting different techniques/materials, which will hopefully help in the future.

 

This is the TOW I was trying to create...

 

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And I completed two of these after having a redo on the helmets that I made before my trip..

 

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You can see the extensive use of 28 guage copper wire... I stretched a two foot length of the 28 guage wire by hanging a weight on one end, which resulted in a very straight piece. I cut the rings on the staff from 1.5mm brass tube. The plume on the hemlet is AppoxieSculpt clay as I was experimenting to see if I could get a bit more texture. The shiny amber blob on the helmet is a tiny dab of Gorilla Glue; I couldn't figure out to make the helmet a bit more three dimensional by giving it a dome shaped quality. My "super glues" were either too thick or too thin to reliably form and hold a dome shape before trying, but Gorilla Glue seemed just right and resulted in a very symmetrical dome shape, especially viewed from the side (the tiny air bubbles are not pock marking the surface, but are buried in the blob and won't be visible after painting. 

 

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Finally, instead of making the helmet from 0.13mm thick styrene, I beefed it up to 1mm thick and then added additional pieces for the protective visor and cheekpiece in an attempt to make the helmet have areas with varying thickness to hopefully create some shadows, as it is the centerpiece of the assembly. Of course, I am not satisfied with the original helmets that I made! (these are very simple helmets with no plumes, so they should be easy to remake).

 

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However, I am a bit burned out on helmets and need to try a "one off" TOW that has a different shape (with NO helmets)... the weaponry will be very easy to make from 28 guage copper wire.

 

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Finished with the third set of Trophies Of War... with the days being so long and with plenty of yardwork - and boating ! - to do, time in the shipyard is limited to 1-2 hours in the morning. The third TOW is a frontal view of a plumed helmet bracketed by spears and axes.... 

 

I can see flaws at a very close range, but I am not going to change a thing, as I think the appearance from normal viewing range is just fine. I MAY trim the axed blade on the right so it has a point on the back side, but then... maybe not.

 

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I made extensive use of 28 guage copper wire to make the spears and axes. I just tapped on the wire with a small hammer on concrete to make "leaf" blades on the spear tips, as all that I needed at normal viewing distance was the hint of a point. As for the axes, I just cut tiny blades and straps from the flattened copper wire. This TOW uses polystyrene, copper wire, ApoxieSculpt, and Gorilla Glue. The actual assembly took only two hours, but I had to build in plenty of drying time.

 

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Phew... this 4th Trophy Of War has been the most complicated yet. This is what I ended up with, and paired with the drawing that I was trying to emulate. Without a doubt, wrapping the "rope" around the anchors was the most difficult part of this exercise! I still have to add a tiny piece of rope to the upper left anchor eyelet, but I want the glue bonds to dry thoroughly first.

 

 

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I continued my extensive use of copper wire, tapping different guage sizes into flat sheets to make the flukes, the decorative bands on the shield, the fletching of the spear, etc. I am finding that in some situations, using copper wire is easier/faster than using Evergreen sheet or ApoxieSculpt. For example, several light taps on 28 guage copper wire made a plausible fletching on a spear. I manufactured all of the component parts for both TOW before assembling both together at the same time.

 

My other TOWs followed a predicatable pattern... make the first set and then decide I can do better. I will NOT make this set over... I can live with this!

 

 

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And a parting shot from normal viewing distance.... yeah, I can live with this first effort.

 

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Here are the four (mostly) finished Trophies Of War (out of thirteen total TOW).

 

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I decided that I need to learn how to make flags next, as three of the TOW have flags like this...

 

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I can't remember what video I saw on YouTube, but a modeler was making a WW2 tank in 1/32 scale, and he made tarpaulins to cover parts of the tank. He didn't show how he made them, but I figured that ApoxieSculpt could be rolled out paper thin. I soaked my roller in ice water, which is something that Doris said she did, and it seemed to help.

 

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The flags need to be approximately 5mm x 4mm in size...

 

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And the first practice attempt at wrapping the flag on a staff and trying to create tassels on the edges of the flag... it probably will help if I put the tiny flags in the freezer for a bit before I attempt to work them, as that will make the flags stiffer and less pliable. Regardless, it looks like this technique of making flags will work for me, and the task will be much easier than I thought.

 

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The 5th set of Trophy's Of War is completed...

 

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Up veeerryyy close, I can still see things that I am not happy with. The resin casting in the center was made from a head on on of the kit quarter gallery pieces, but it just doesn't show precise features at this scale. On the other hand, when you zoom out to a normnal viewing distance... it doesn;t seem to matter.

 

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The TOW in the center is what I was trying to create...

 

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I think my technique for making the flags was helpful (roll ApoxieSculpt out into paper thin sheets and then freeze it). I also used some 8# cannon pieces from the kit to make the cannon barrels. Here are the various pieces before assembly - minus the tiny fluer de lis that are on the flag poles and the crown.

 

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Well, I wasn't going to post today, as I have finished only one (of two) of the sixth set of the Trophies Of War; but I received a package in the mail and am very excited! So TOW first... here is the result... about 95% completed.

 

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And here is what I was trying to emulate.. by the way.. are those tassels on the end of the flags really a detail that would somehow have been carved in?? I tried, and made some tassels from 2# test monofilament fishing line. It was actually very easy to do, but they looked so fragile, and... it just doesn't seem realistic to me that somehow tassels would be carved from wood and somehow dangle like they are in the St. Phillipe monograph!

 

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I had several hours of time in the early morning, and this TOW really flew by. First, because it was the sixth one and the practice really helps, and second, I had already made the flags and some other minor parts. I did scrap my first attempt, as it was just too small for my liking (I make a photocopy from the St. Phillipe monograph, which is 1:24 scale, and shrink it down to 1:96 scale for my model). I wanted a bigger helmet and fluer de lis!

 

Minor things to note... #1, I was frustrated at trying to make perfect rings from Evergreen, so I finally used 24 gauge copper wire that I wrapped around a 5mm drill bit and soldered the ends together. #2, the helmet is not my usual effort of Gorilla Glue (which I have been using to get a domed, 3D appearance). but is a resin cast of a tiny helmet that is on the Heller kit quarter galleries. #3, I used a paper thin sheet of ApoxieSculpt for the plume.

 

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Here is a picture of the helmet and the resultant resin cast - which I like better than Gorilla Glue, at least in this instance.

 

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And now the mail.... my cannons and gun carriages from Kris/Skutznik in Poland arrived! The kit barrels are ostensibly 24#, 18#, 12#, and 8#. After first finding out about Kris on Nigel's (NMBROOK on SOS) Soleil Royal build log, I ordered 110 barrels in 36#, 18#, 12#, 8#, and 4# sizes... I also ordered 30 gun carriages of appropriate size for the cannon that will be visible on the upper deck (I will use the kit carriages for the lower deck).

 

I am very pleased with the barrels from Kris; the Heller kit barrels are incredibly detailed, but... the "but" is that I would have to glue them all together and builk them up somehow (likely as Hubac's Historian did). Now, I don't have to do anything but paint them, and I have the precise barrel lengths and bores that I wanted... you can see how the barrels from Kris maintain their beefiness compared to the kit even as the barrels go down in size.

 

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And the gun carriages are extremely detailed already... with wedges in the wheel axles, and even a quoin. So as much fun - and time spent - as I am having making my own Trophies Of War, I am very happy to get something like cannons and carriages that I won't have to sink all of that time into! Certainly there will be work to do on the carriages, but nothing like it would have been. Ohh - and I won't have to move the trunnions back for a proper fit of cannon to gun carriage, nor move the kit wheel axles either.

 

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Halfway through the Trophies of War collection... again, these TOW will decorate the spaces between the middle deck gun ports. First, the fifth set is completed. You may notice subtle differences, such as the size of the helmet plumes, etc. as I experiment to see if something that I prefer more can be applied to the next sets of TOW (and no one will ever notice the slight differences as the TOW's will be displayed on opposite sides of the ship).

 

I added one set of tassel strings to every flag - not two tassels as in the St Philippe monograph drawing - just to see if I liked it. Frankly, they are so tiny (2# test monofilament), I doubt anyone will ever notice them. Oh - and flanking on each side are the original TOW sizes that I made for this symbol; I decided they were way too small.

 

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And then I finished one of the sixth set TOW's.... this took a lot of work on the blacksmith shop, but I created a stockpile of arms for the remaining TOW's as well....

 

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I know that I benefit from having jigs if I am making multiple copies of something. So, to make the axe blades appear consistent, I didn't have a jig, but I simply glued photo copies of the axe blades to flattened copper wire, and then just cut them out with a blade.

 

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The eighth set of twelve Trophies Of War are finished. This one was a it more complicated.... I had to make the torches larger at 2mm wide than than the 1mm wide proportions that were drawn in the St Phillippe monograph, as they would have been too ridiculously small for me to make! I incorporated a brand new material to make the tiny balls on the end of the torches... #9 shot from my bird hunting shells (I tried ApoxieSculpt at first, but couldn't make balls as smooth and round as lead shot was).

 

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For the torch flames, I found some old wire in my tool box and lightly tapped it with a hammer to try and make some broad "flames".

 

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Next, I cut individual snippets of wire and inserted them into the "torch" . The torch was a short length of 2mm round stock that I drilled a 1.5mm hole into to insert the flames, and then I split the round stock down the middle to yield half a tube. I then glued the half tube to 0.13mm sheet to give it some backing, then I simply cut the torch base out after the flames had been glued in.

 

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Finally, here are the previous seven sets of TOW... note that my first attempt was in the upper left, and then we move across the first row, and then the second row to end with my seventh attempt in the lower right.

 

I am thinking down the road about how these would have been painted. My assumption is, even on SR 1671, that cost constraints would have prevented them from painted gold (let alone gold leaf). Perhaps a bronze color? I owuld think they need a bit more pop than yellow ocher.

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Okay, now you are getting to the fun part - bringing all of this to life!

 

For your same stated reasons, I would steer away from bright gold or yellow ocher.  The admiralty style model of the SP chose yellow ocher, but this can be a bit much:

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You could go the route of John Ott, and use a light sand color as a base, and then overlay that with a darker brown, translucent acrylic wash that will get into all the crevices and give the TsOW some depth.

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Personally, I would avoid anything too polychrome.  You don’t want the ship to look like the U.N.

 

However, if this were my model to paint, I would probably take one of the following approaches.

 

First approach:

 

Over a primer base (flat black), I would spray a uniform, matte acrylic dark bronze (almost black, but still brownish).  Over that, I would selectively dry-brush either a bright bronze metallic acrylic, or I’d dry brush bright metallic bronze powders (later sprayed with a matte, clear fixative).  These types of powders are available through the same outlets that supply railroad modelers. The idea is to merely catch the highlights, here and there; part of a shield edge, here, a spear shaft there, etc.  You are trying to avoid any sense of gloppiness in the dry-brushing.  There are endless dry-brushing tutorials on YT.

 

The advantages of this approach are several.  If there are any particular aspects of any given trophy that you wish to de-emphasize, then they will fade into the background of the darker base color.  Overall, the TOW will show a strong contrasting silhouette against whatever color you choose to paint the planking of the hull.  The bright bronze highlights draw attention to where you want it most.

 

Second Approach:

 

This is a slightly more advanced (read: more work) version of the above, which should yield an even greater sense of depth.

 

Over a black primer, airbrush a matte acrylic dark brown that is not nearly as dark as the black bronze, but not too light either.  Over that I would spray a clear acrylic dark brown wash (matte) that will get into all of the crevices.  Finally, I’d dry-brush with either bright bronze acrylic paint or powders.

 

As for prepping your hull to paint, here is what I would do - so far as the TsOW are concerned.  First, clean both hull halves in light, soapy water.  Once dry, I would place a patch of blue paiters’ masking tape, in each TOW position.  Rub the tape down firmly with the pad of your finger.  Sharpen a #2 pencil to a WICKED point.  Holding each TOW in-place with light finger pressure, lightly trace its outline onto the blue tape.  Be sure to stay as close to the border of the TOW as possible (the reason for that wicked point).  For the trophies where there is a profusion of thin shafts, and flag staffs protruding outside of the shields, I would not concern myself with masking outside of the shield.

 

Next, use a razor sharp EXACTO (#11) to  cut a heavy 1/32” inside those lines.  Doing so, will ensure that you have a good-sized glue area (mostly the shield area, but also cannon barrels, flags, etc), and that the shield will overlay the planking color completely.  Finally, pull away the outer tape, and your hull is ready for primer and paint.

 

I would also spare myself the difficulty of painting the TsOW on the model.  I would simply follow one of the above paint protocols, off-model, and then you can attach them and have perfect borders.  As you noted before, this also enables you to distress wash your hull planking without the encumbrance of the TsOW.

We are all works in progress, all of the time.

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Thank you for the suggestions, Marc! I am completely unfmailiar with any and all painting techniques, but, I will just have to learn them by using my spare hull. I am pretty sure that since I have come this far... I will use your second approach suggestion.

 

I like your suggestion of marking the outlines of the TOW, and then leave that bit of tape there during the hull weathering process.  Question... one thought that I had was to glue a small, uniformly sized square/triangle/circle of Evergreen sheet (likely 0.13mm thick) on the back of the TOW's and then glue that bit of sheet to the hull?

 

Now, I stll have 60 odd dolphins (as shown in the lower right of the photo) to apply around the upper gun deck ports, and then also some decorations above the additional gun ports that are higher up.... as well as fourteen decorations for the circular gun ports. That is a lot of detail painting, but I think that it makes sense to apply them BEFORE the hull painting, and then just come back later and paint these decorations. A lot of fiddly work there, but that sounds like a less work than somehow applying 80 odd tiny bits of tape to the hull so that I can peel those pieces off after hull painting/weathering... and of course, given that any pieces, there will be a number of onstances when glue smears out onto the paint job of the hull!

 

One more question... the additional pieces of decor around any and all gun ports (dolphins bracketing gun ports, wings over gun ports, etc)... I am assuming those should be painted with the same color scheme and technique as you have suggested for the Trophies Of War, using the second approach? 

 

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So, your first question caused me to focus on the fact that you have, in many cases, metal rods cris-crossing behind the shields.  As they are, if you simply tried to glue the trophies to the hull, they would invariably pivot unevenly on the lowest placed element.  This would be a weak bond.  My solution to this problem is essentially what you are proposing; behind and within the footprint of the shields, I would glue styrene pads in 2-3 places that then become my glue points to the hull.  This ensures a strong bond, and that your shield ornaments would sit evenly on the hull.

 

One thing you don’t want would be to have cris-crossed cannon barrels, for example, hanging freely above the hull planking.  Portions of ornaments, such as these, should also be supported from behind and firmly attached to the hull.

 

I also agree with you that you will want to glue down the upper port surrounds and frieze elements before painting.  You could wait to affix these ornaments until after painting the upper works, however, it would be advise-able to scrape away a small paint patch for glue.

 

For small things like fleur-de-lis, this is difficult to achieve within the small footprint of such an ornament.  It is far easier to become practiced at detail painting, in place.  Glue a small field of fleurs to a spare hull part and practice.  I have found that the best way to achieve a sense of depth on the painted ornament is to continually adjust the angle of approach, so that I can always see exactly where the tip of my brush is.

 

When looking at my model, for example, please keep in-mind that while I AM very good at this kind of detail painting - What you are looking at is the end result of numerous rounds of retouching.  It looks very close to perfect because I kept revisiting this and that flaw over a long period of time.

 

As for extending the bronzing protocol to the ornament and port surrounds above the main deck, this is something I would personally avoid.  While it is absolutely true that gold leaf budgets were more closely adhered to in the 1680s and 90s, these first two capital ships of the new Navy, SR and the RL, were always intended to be spectacular realizations of the Monarch’s power and influence.

 

Just as Versailles is blanketed in gold leaf, I think it likely that gold was used much more liberally on the first launchings of these two iconic ships.  I think that, largely, because Hyatt’s description of the first RL in 1677, just before her first refit, paints a fairly vivid picture of her ornamental works.  I have translated and tried to clarify some of the ship nomenclature, throughout:

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“The smooth dourdy [lower transom] is enriched outside laurel leaves with shells seashell on it, all of ore has perfection.

Over there is a marine horse at each coast [side of the lower transom] and four large consoles that support the first baterie [lower stern balcony], above which there is a very beautiful cul de feu lamp [concealing the rudder head and stern post].

 

The first gallery, at the height of support is all dotted with fleurs-de-lys d'oreen [in gold], on which are affixed four sirens that serve as a support for the second gallery, and costez [along the side galleries] three tritons and two consoles with a frieze that runs all around, where are the arms of Monseigneur le Duc de Beaufort, supported also by two tritons holding an anchor with one hand; on the starboard side Neptune and Thetys on the left, with a babe at their feet, present[ing] in the divinity of the riches of the earth and the sea, which they then present to the figure of the king, who is in his throne of justice above the third gallery in relief and gold. as well as the whole stern, with a slave of each side and a cornice of gold which reigns all along the ship [sheer rail all in gold?], with trophies joining the said divinities.

 

On each corner, from above, there is a renomee [fame] each holding a trumpet.

On the second cornice at the coronation, which has the same effect as the other, are two affixed figures holding in their hands a crown of laurel on the head of the King, of one side, and on the other an olive branch.

 

On the third floor [quarter deck level] there is a balcony, two feet high, where the king's arms are in a medal, on which there are four capitals, or four half-bodied figures, all of them representing the four parts of the world.

 

All portals of ports [gunport lids] are adorned with fleurs-de-lis, figures of the King, lyres, and suns.  All between the wales [from the quarter deck level to the sheer railing] there is a frieze in gold which reigns all along the ship, of fleurs-de-lis, also of gold.

 

Between the ports of the second baterie there are trophies of the navy, all of them between lasses of peles [?indescipherable?] and anchors of the same.

Those [ports] of the third gundeck are adorned with a frame of foliage with griffins on the sides, all of gold in perfection.

At the highest wale [beneath the sheer rail at the poop deck level] there are consoles of space in space, with festoons between two, all in gold.

 

The sides of the vessel with smooth are enriched with fleurs-de-lys golden with molures[?].

The whole mirror, in other words, the guardianship of the vessel is blue in color with golden fleur-de-lis [the stern/tafferal, I suppose].

 

THE BOW

 

At the bow of the vessel there are two great escolats, two half-wives, whose bottom ends in foliage running along the precients.

All precients of the bow are the same, with consoles from below the bows and florets gild space to space.

 

The figurehead is a renowne [fame] holding the king's arms, with a little triton underneath, which has it to wear them, all of which is excellent.

The crane carriers [cathead supports] are two big tritons of gold.  At the face of the castle of Prou [beakhead bulkhead] there are two children in low relief of gold who carry one a laurel and the other a palm, are an escort or are the arms of the King. The whole bow is adorned, even the herpes [head rails] of fleur-de-lis and the figures of the King of the Golden Crown in perfection.

We are all works in progress, all of the time.

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