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Hello All,

The first photo is of the foreyard sling which I forgot to post yesterday showing how the eye and the other leg of the sling are seized together.

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The thimble on the yard sling was then lashed to the thimble on the yard with 0.25mm black thread. The truss pendants and jeers were set up next.

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As can be seen in the above photos the falls for the jeers, which is 0.75mm tan thread, is attached to the yard with a timber hitch and reeved through the jeers blocks and down to the deck where it made fast on the main topbowline bits (the pinrail on the aft side of the foremast). Also you can see the lashing for the yard sling. 

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There are two truss pendants on the foreyard, port and starboard, they were made from 0.75mm tan thread and an eye was formed in the end of each one, they were then seized around the yard (which can be seen more clearly in post# 377 on this page) with the starboard side pointing up and the port side pointing down on the aft side of the yard. The running end of the port pendant reeves through the starboard eye while the running end of the starboard pendant reeves through the port eye. Two double blocks are used for rigging each pendant one attached to the end of the pendant approximately 75mm off the deck and the other attached to a hook and eye bolt fitted to the deck either side of the mast just in front of the aft pin rail. The falls are made from 0.25mm tan thread, reeved through the blocks to belay on the cleats attached to the lower front side on the mast.

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The nave line, which serves to hold up the truss pendants, was made from 0.10mm tan thread. This line is made up in two parts first a short length of line is attached using eye splices to each truss pendant then a length of line is attached to the span using an eye splice and then reeved through a single block attached to the after cross tree and belaying to the centre pin on the main top bowline bitts.

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Thanks for looking and the likes.

 

 

Cheers :cheers:

Jeff 

 

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AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop NorfolkHMS Victory Bow SectionHM Schooner Pickle

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Hello All,

The next lines that were attached were the foreyard lifts, the fore topsail sheets, the clue garnets and the yard tackle pendants. Because these photos were taken after all the lines were rigged I have posted two of the same photo, one labeled and one unlabeled, for a bit of clarity, I hope.

The first two are a general view of the yard lifts, sheets, clueline and yard pendants and after that a brief description of the marked lines.

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The yard lifts are made from 0.5mm tan thread and the it's end is seized into the eye on the single block on the mast cap and reeves through another single block stropped to the sheet block attached to the end of the yard then back through the block on the mast cap and down to the deck where it reeves through a kevel block fitted to the inboard rail at the fore end of the fore channel.

The topsail sheet line was made from 0.75mm tan thread and was secured by knot in the end of it to the sheet block at the end of the yard and then down through the sheet blocks on the underside of the yard next to the mast and down to belay to inner sheave on the topsail bitts.

The clue garnet is made from 0.5mm tan thread and one end is secured to the yard with a timber hitch just outside the clue line block attached to the yard, it reeves through the block attached to the tack blocks and then through the clue line block on the yard and then down to belay on the outer sheave on topsail bitts.

I decided to show the yard tackle pendants rigged instead of being tied up to the yards as they normally would be when not in use. Rigging them also made the yard a bit more secure. They are made from 2 double blocks one on a pendant of 0.75mm thread 50mm long attached to the end of the mast the other block has a hook stropped to it and an eye formed in the other end of the strop so that the falls can be attached. The falls were made from 0.25mm tan thread and reeved through the blocks and belayed to one of the posts on the side rail. 

The outer tricing line is made from 0.10mm tan thread and was used to haul the yard pendant up against the yard when it wasn't in use. It reeves through a single block attached to the yard and then through another single block attached to the first shroud at the futtock stave and then down to belay on deck. The inner tricing line attached to the other double block just above the hook and reeves through a single block fixed to the front shroud next to the block for the outer tricing line and belays on the deck. It is not shown on the model.

The next few photos show some of the belaying points and the sheet an tack blocks rigged.

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Thanks for looking in and the likes.

 

Cheers :cheers:

Jeff 

 

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AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop NorfolkHMS Victory Bow SectionHM Schooner Pickle

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Hello All,

The catharpins were fitted next they were made from 0.75mm black thread with an eye formed in each end they are lashed to the shrouds and futtock staves at the fourth, fifth and seventh shroud, binding the port and starboard shrouds together. There are normally 4 catharpins, the fourth fitted to the ninth shroud, but seeing as this model only has 8 shrouds the fourth has been omitted.

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The rigging for the spritsail yard was set up next.

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 There are two lifts on this yard the standing lift and the yard lifts. The standing lift which has an eye formed in each end, one end being lashed to the yard about 50mm from the slings and the other end lashed to a thimble in a collar on the bowsprit aft of the bees, it is made from 0.5mm black thread. The standing end of the yard lift falls has a hook seized to it which attaches to an eye bolt in the bowsprit cap, the running end reeves through a block on the end of the yard and the through the block on cap and runs down to belay on timber heads on the forecastle breast rail.

The cluelines also belay on timber heads on the forecastle breast rail.

The standing end of the spritsail yard braces is seized to the forestay just above the mouse and eye, the running end reeves through the brace block on the end of the yard and then up through two blocks fitted under the foretop and down to tie off on a timber head on the side rail.

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The jackstaff was the fitted to the bowsprit cap and rigged with it's halliard and stays which are anchored with eye bolts to the marines walk.

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Thanks for looking and the likes.

Cheers :cheers:

Jeff 

 

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AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop NorfolkHMS Victory Bow SectionHM Schooner Pickle

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Hello All,

The last things to do on the model were to fit the anchors and tidy up the paint work on the cross section and fit the photo etched knee brackets.

The first two photos show the cross section painted and the second the knees temporarily in place.

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The anchors were made up from the kit parts and primed.

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They were then painted black and the puddening was added to the rings.

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They were attached to the anchor cable using a clinch knot which was seized with 0.10mm natural thread, they were then rigged and hung from the catheads.

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Thanks for looking.

Cheers :cheers:

Jeff 

 

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AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop NorfolkHMS Victory Bow SectionHM Schooner Pickle

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Hello All,

The following photos are of the finished model and were taken back in 2016. Please excuse the clutter in the background.

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Cheers :cheers:

Jeff 

 

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AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop NorfolkHMS Victory Bow SectionHM Schooner Pickle

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And a few more....

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Thanks to all of those who looked in and left comments or likes. I am quite happy with how the finished model turned out with all of the modifications and enhancements I made to the original kit.

Thanks again for looking.

Cheers :cheers:

Jeff 

 

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AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop NorfolkHMS Victory Bow SectionHM Schooner Pickle

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Well done!

Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans)

1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
 

On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans)

 

On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury

 

Favorite finished builds:  1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia

 

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On 2/18/2020 at 7:41 AM, Jeff-E said:

And a few more....

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Thanks to all of those who looked in and left comments or likes. I am quite happy with how the finished model turned out with all of the modifications and enhancements I made to the original kit.

Thanks again for looking.

There is a special place in the model builder's heaven for such as you. I bought this as a "quicky" before starting scratch Rattlesnake. But, on reading the instructions several times I found them WORSE than those of a generation ago and only after seeing your blog, are they understandable .( The Coral Victory was my second built.) Also, the build can be improved immensely by your attention to detail and skill. Thank you.

current build- Swan ,scratch

on shelf,Rattlesnake, Alert semi scratch,Le Coureur,, Fubbs scratch

completed: nostrum mare,victory(Corel), san felipe, sovereign of the seas, sicilian  cargo boat ,royal yacht caroline, armed pinnace, charles morgan whaler, galilee boat, wappen von hamburg, la reale (Dusek), amerigo vespucci, oneida (semi scratch) diane, great harry-elizabethan galleon (semi scratch), agammemnon, hanna (scratch).19th cent. shipyard diorama (Constructo), picket boat, victory bow section

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Further thought- how to display. Not sure which is the best view , so why not a square base that can rotate ?

current build- Swan ,scratch

on shelf,Rattlesnake, Alert semi scratch,Le Coureur,, Fubbs scratch

completed: nostrum mare,victory(Corel), san felipe, sovereign of the seas, sicilian  cargo boat ,royal yacht caroline, armed pinnace, charles morgan whaler, galilee boat, wappen von hamburg, la reale (Dusek), amerigo vespucci, oneida (semi scratch) diane, great harry-elizabethan galleon (semi scratch), agammemnon, hanna (scratch).19th cent. shipyard diorama (Constructo), picket boat, victory bow section

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Thank you Stuglo for your kind comments, I am glad you found my blog helpful. I basically disregarded the instructions altogether especially the rigging plans, only using them occasionally for reference. Going on the number of completed models in your signature you are a very skilled modellor yourself. Will you be building the bow section soon?

As for the display the model currently occupies a lamp table in the living room which the front, rear and the starboard side can be easily seen.

Cheers :cheers:

Jeff 

 

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AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop NorfolkHMS Victory Bow SectionHM Schooner Pickle

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Started friday. After reading through your blog, I realize that much advanced planning is needed especially with the painting and I will put more effort into upgrades than I originally planned.  

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current build- Swan ,scratch

on shelf,Rattlesnake, Alert semi scratch,Le Coureur,, Fubbs scratch

completed: nostrum mare,victory(Corel), san felipe, sovereign of the seas, sicilian  cargo boat ,royal yacht caroline, armed pinnace, charles morgan whaler, galilee boat, wappen von hamburg, la reale (Dusek), amerigo vespucci, oneida (semi scratch) diane, great harry-elizabethan galleon (semi scratch), agammemnon, hanna (scratch).19th cent. shipyard diorama (Constructo), picket boat, victory bow section

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I'm bothered by the colours . I see the pictures and visited the Victory 5 years ago, and you represent them well. But, the coloring of the gun carriages and matching  inner walls yellow and others white seem ? anachronistic. With other boats, in books and google images, natural wood, red or black seem to be the rule. Did you (or others) find any info about this.( The recent change in the colour of the external ship, is noteworthy.)

current build- Swan ,scratch

on shelf,Rattlesnake, Alert semi scratch,Le Coureur,, Fubbs scratch

completed: nostrum mare,victory(Corel), san felipe, sovereign of the seas, sicilian  cargo boat ,royal yacht caroline, armed pinnace, charles morgan whaler, galilee boat, wappen von hamburg, la reale (Dusek), amerigo vespucci, oneida (semi scratch) diane, great harry-elizabethan galleon (semi scratch), agammemnon, hanna (scratch).19th cent. shipyard diorama (Constructo), picket boat, victory bow section

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Hi Stuglo,

The colours I chose to paint the model where from photo references of the ship on various websites which show the gun carriages and the upper gun deck painted yellow ochre, the paint I used was Mantua's own brand but I believe Admiralty paints yellow ochre is closer to the actual colour in which the ship has recently been painted. I painted the lower decks white to lighten the area as it would be very dark if they were left in natural wood and also because I did see a couple of photos on the web showing the lower decks painted white.

Also in C Nepean Longridge's book he refers to inboard works to be generally painted yellow and the gun carriages to be painted yellow.

I do not know how historically accurate that information is however.

I do remember reading somewhere how the ship was prepared for the Battle of Trafalgar and it did mention painting and how the paint scheme differed from other vessels in the fleet but I can't find it. 

Hope this helps.

Cheers :cheers:

Jeff 

 

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Completed Builds;

AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop NorfolkHMS Victory Bow SectionHM Schooner Pickle

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Thanks. I knew you did your homework but it just seemed counter intuitive. Maybe Mrs Hamilton did the decorating !

current build- Swan ,scratch

on shelf,Rattlesnake, Alert semi scratch,Le Coureur,, Fubbs scratch

completed: nostrum mare,victory(Corel), san felipe, sovereign of the seas, sicilian  cargo boat ,royal yacht caroline, armed pinnace, charles morgan whaler, galilee boat, wappen von hamburg, la reale (Dusek), amerigo vespucci, oneida (semi scratch) diane, great harry-elizabethan galleon (semi scratch), agammemnon, hanna (scratch).19th cent. shipyard diorama (Constructo), picket boat, victory bow section

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Jeff:

 

Currently working on the HMS Victory of the same scale. Started the bow a long time ago. Still about where you are including the same clamp. The bow of the two models do not match. Not even close. I am using The Anatomy of Nelson's ships to try to figure out which is correct which seems to be a little of both. I am modifying as needed. They need to match. The planking is now using thin boxwood and cut with my wife's paper cutter. She's a scrape booker. Don't tell her that's where the cutter went. 

 

I also added the kurfed planks at the wales. Being a structural engineer I know that was a structural component of the ships at the time. The USS Constitution used interior horizontal braces under the main guns to achieve the same thing. Someone took them out in a refit and the ship had major hogging issues until someone got access to the admiralty plans made of the USS United States the Brits captured and used as a guide for their future frigates. The Constitution's plans were burned when the Brits burned Washington. It was a puzzle since the captains of the day thought she was real structurally sound. Now the ship is stable again and can actually sail out of Boston Harbor every year. The admirals are on the edge of their seats every time she goes out I would imagine. Dry dock has it's advantages.

 

Anyway I want to complete the full Victory and also the bow section and put them in the same case. I bought added barrels for the project as well. Using o-gauge railroad ballast for the ballast. Might put some cooling wine bottles in it! The officers need their wine.

 

The work is slow but I am getting along. The Covid 19 has meant less work and more play.

 

Model on! 

 

Jim 

 

 

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Hi Jeff-E.  I have been progressing slowly and with increasing frustration and disappointment with the lack of accuracy of this kit, considering the vast literature and the real thing available. It obviously went through a number of refits. My current dilema- does anyone know if the beak head bulkheads, round houses and various forward decorations were ever black (as provided by the kit) or always blue. I tried to overpaint these laser parts in blue (admiralty colours) but the result was very poor and I cleaned it off. How did you acccomlish this because your result is pretty good? Rereading you posts, did the Tamya paint itself, rather than the shade, make a difference? The admiralty was just absorbed - maybe I should have applied a sealant first but I wanted to avoid a build-up of paint. maybe someone can save me the effort and tell me that yes, at some stage, these parts were black and not blue.

current build- Swan ,scratch

on shelf,Rattlesnake, Alert semi scratch,Le Coureur,, Fubbs scratch

completed: nostrum mare,victory(Corel), san felipe, sovereign of the seas, sicilian  cargo boat ,royal yacht caroline, armed pinnace, charles morgan whaler, galilee boat, wappen von hamburg, la reale (Dusek), amerigo vespucci, oneida (semi scratch) diane, great harry-elizabethan galleon (semi scratch), agammemnon, hanna (scratch).19th cent. shipyard diorama (Constructo), picket boat, victory bow section

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Hi Stuglo, the paint I used was Tamiya X-14 Sky Blue enamel and did not use any primers or sealants. Being and oil 

based paint as opposed to a water based paint might be the difference, it covered the black fairly well. I don't know if they were ever painted black.

Hope this helps.

Cheers :cheers:

Jeff 

 

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Completed Builds;

AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop NorfolkHMS Victory Bow SectionHM Schooner Pickle

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Well, that was an extremely interesting and enjoyable read Jeff! Thank you for posting all that wonderful material. You did an amazing job!!!

 

I am looking to purchase this kit for a future build - I don't have enough experience to build a full Victory yet, but I'm hoping that this Bow Section would give me a 'taste' of the Victory. I've added your thread to my favourites to benefit from your fine work.

 

Mind you, I've first of all got to start on the Vaporetto 😂😂😂

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Thanks for such a detailed and logical guide Jeff. I am an ambitious novice so was daunted by the woeful instructions with the kit. Your advice has proved invaluable to even complete it. Let alone the numerous improvements you suggest. I also realised early on the internal details would be wasted to built in small led lamps on each deck to power off a watch battery. Very pleased with this effect.

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Good day all,

I know you all have many, many works of reference to refer to (!!) but I have just found one that might have been overlooked as it does not sound “genuine”.

published by 

Haynes Publishing, Sparkford, Yeovil, BA22 7JJ, UK

OR 

Haynes North America Inc, 859 Lawrence Drive, Newbury Park, California 91320, USA

WWW.HAYNES.COM

 

 

HMS VICTORY, 1765-1812 (First rate ship of the line) Owner’s Workshop Manua.

 

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