olliechristo Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share #661 Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Leanne,, I"m glad i can return something, for all the help i have had is what has made this build what it is.. The whole MSW forum is a godsend.. I look forward to seeing your build log surface John thanks for the compliments, i have a tendency towards wanting perfection, which can be a downfall at times, i came to the conclusion that ratlines were probably not perfect anyway.. Anyway the second time they have come up neater, although i did redo a few to get it right, too much sag on some.. also had a flame up and two rungs burnt out that was exciting/scary.. one has gotta be quick with the flame if burning fuzz.. When i stand back and look at it all, the ratlines and shrouds are really making it look close to done.. Onto back stays next.. steady as she goes, as i want to soak up the last parts of this marvelous journey.. Ollie Edited May 21, 2014 by olliechristo radrick21, Aussie048, MarisStella.hr and 5 others 8 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share #662 Posted May 21, 2014 ... Aussie048, Littlebob, ringbolt2013 and 7 others 10 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted May 21, 2014 Share #663 Posted May 21, 2014 That's real nice work on your ratlines mate, especially as this is your first go! cheers Pat olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenW Posted May 21, 2014 Share #664 Posted May 21, 2014 I think your model is a really good piece of work. One question, is the model painted on one side (starboard) or does it just look that way in the photos? Personally, I like the natural look better. Great job. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Ken NO PIRACY 4 ME! (SUPPORTING CHUCKS' IDEA) Current Build: Washington 1776 Galley Pilot Boat Mary of Norfolk Completed Builds: Continental Boat Providence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Ship Independence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Rattlesnake (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Armed Virginia Sloop (from Completed Gallery) Fair American (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build Log) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share #665 Posted May 21, 2014 Thanks Ken, yes i decided to do it this way so I could have a go at coppering and paint.. Port side is my more historically accurate side... I prefer the natural side also... But the other side looks good too.. regads Ollie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share #666 Posted May 23, 2014 I have been preparing all the parts for rear stays, sanding and filing blocks and clear coating them, painting straps, eye bolts etc. I have been looking at bowsprit for some time knowing it is rising too much..( sill not fitted..) Kit says to have it about 5 degrees which looks right with historical sketches.. I can either make groove deeper or rebuild bowsprit rail to be higher... It must be a kit error.. although it doesn't say how deep to cut into bulwark... Also would it have been lashed in or a pin to hold it through uprights of railing? Regards Ollie MarisStella.hr, ringbolt2013 and egkb 3 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted May 23, 2014 Share #667 Posted May 23, 2014 I wouldn't worry about the angle. Leave as is IMO - if you are few degrees out who will know. Don't know about lashings or pins but it does feel like it needs some form of fixing. It can't have been lashed to the pin rail on the bits - way too much force against those...I don't know. Sorry not much help. olliechristo 1 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 23, 2014 Share #668 Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) Ollie ... On some cutters the bits were taller and an Iron rod was used to adjust the height of the butt of the Jib...this moved the pin rail aft to adjoin the windlass bits. But I don't think that will work here ... maybe a larger notch in the jib and a supporting bar or extra wood above the rail would work?? An idea anyway. Tom Another thought ... invert the jib and place a bar for more wood for support in other words place the Jib above the rail and see if that works. I myself would draw it up to scale an check it out before cutting anything or deciding anything first! Edited May 23, 2014 by ringbolt2013 olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 24, 2014 Share #669 Posted May 24, 2014 Ollie, The bowsprit definitely needs to be "flatter" - almost no upward rake would be about right. It was probably secured by an iron pin through the bitts. It was quite common for the top of a cutter's bowsprit to be about level with the top of the rail, although King's paintings appear to show it sitting on top of the rail. How is it secured at the bow - by a spectacle iron? John olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Posted May 24, 2014 Share #670 Posted May 24, 2014 Your work really is amazing Ollie! And thank you for the pictures and explanations, I am learning so much from you! olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Completed Build: Bregante Il Leudo Merchant Launch - Mamoli - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share #671 Posted May 24, 2014 Thanks Geoff, Alistair... Tom and John, i think this solves the problem.. I thought i could let this problem slide, but it was going to bug me forever, Yes it needs to be almost flat... A spectacle iron?? hmm you got me there mate... I am about to spend a few hours in the den to unwind.. , so im onto it.. More great help understanding these little cutters.. Bindy! nice to have you pop in, thanks and hope you are doing well... Be back with more pics in coming days.. Aussie048 and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 24, 2014 Share #672 Posted May 24, 2014 Ollie, The spectacle iron on my Stag. It's bolted to the stem and is a fairly loose fit on the bowsprit. John olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share #673 Posted May 24, 2014 Nice one.. problem solved!! I will add the spectacle iron, probably out of black card, saturated with satin clear coat,.. I feel much better about the arrangement in many ways... Thanks gang... Get back to you when i have backstays done.. Regards Ollie egkb, ringbolt2013, Aussie048 and 1 other 4 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share #674 Posted May 24, 2014 (edited) Here is Phillip Parker King's Sketch for reference for some late in the log.. .. This is probably the best drawing to work off that is in existence.. Here is a great pdf link for those who have not read.. Amazing history this little cutter had.. was later refitted into an armed Schooner.. http://www.anmm.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/Signals86_Mermaid.pdf Edited May 24, 2014 by olliechristo ringbolt2013, egkb and Aussie048 3 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted May 24, 2014 Share #675 Posted May 24, 2014 That does look better Ollie, sure you only have to rig it now.. no worries there eh? Have A Good One Mate Eamonn ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share #676 Posted May 24, 2014 Yes I'm happier with it.. Yeah I'm actually enjoying the rigging.. One of the strange ones .but yeah still a bit to go buddy.. Regards Oliver egkb and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Coleman Posted May 24, 2014 Share #677 Posted May 24, 2014 Still following your build and still amazed. Real neat work. I don't mind a bit of the rigging either. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Regards, Scott Current build: 1:75 Friesland, Mamoli Completed builds: 1:64 Rattlesnake, Mamoli - 1:64 HMS Bounty, Mamoli - 1:54 Adventure, Amati - 1:80 King of the Mississippi, AL 1:64 Blue Shadow, Mamoli - 1:64 Leida Dutch pleasure boat, Corel - 1:60 HMS President Mantra, Sergal Awaiting construction: 1:89 Hermione La Fayette AL - 1:48 Perserverance, Modelers shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 24, 2014 Share #678 Posted May 24, 2014 Yes that is much better. The jibs were almost flat! Nice job...just what the Dr. ordered!!! olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 25, 2014 Share #679 Posted May 25, 2014 That looks good, Ollie - go for it, mate! Joihn olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share #680 Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) Okay been working out the backstays, been a lot more to it than i imagined, lots of fiddly bits to rig and metal to paint.. Gave up on blackening a while back, too many variations in metals.. too many varied outcomes.. Anyway with some help from Jimlad, i have deviated from the plans a little, had a bit of indecision with the cleats but think they are okay vertical. Would work better like that i figure.. tight squeeze between canons etc.. I lost one of the chainplates after forgetting it was on a book drying.. off the deck i think.. Would make one up myself but cant find the appropriate brass handy so just ordered some pre made ones that should be identical, ordered 4 anyway.. .. that may hold up starboard backstay, but will fiddle with other small rigging tasks, adding eyebolts and cleats to hull for next stages.. planning fiddling.. Hopefully this looks okay John! Regards and thanks to all... Ollie Edited May 27, 2014 by olliechristo dgbot, KenW, Aussie048 and 3 others 6 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathewp Posted May 27, 2014 Share #681 Posted May 27, 2014 G'day Ollie, She is a little beauty. It looks like your'e nearly done too. The ratlines look spot on, with the shrouds nice and straight. Very nice job. Matt. olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted May 27, 2014 Share #682 Posted May 27, 2014 Looking great Ollie keep it up ! David B olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 27, 2014 Share #683 Posted May 27, 2014 Yep, that looks about right, Ollie! John ringbolt2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share #684 Posted May 27, 2014 About right will do!! cheers John and everyone else onboard.. Just looked through all i have to do and its not that much considering how far i have come!!! Ollie ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share #685 Posted May 29, 2014 Hi gang. I have some progress to show... Backstays done except for that pesky part lost which is in the post... So not reeved up yet.. Aussie048, KenW, dgbot and 2 others 5 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share #686 Posted May 29, 2014 I have also done my topsail (or is spreader) shrouds. I have redone a few things and a few more to do, decided to downsize some of the original kit supplied eye bolts for smaller.. I was a bit concerned with the way the shrouds angle back aft from spreader but i think this is ok, certainly wouldn't want to protrude forward any as would interfere with yard... starting to look a bit busy up top now!!! Regards Ollie dgbot, ringbolt2013, aliluke and 3 others 6 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted May 29, 2014 Share #687 Posted May 29, 2014 As always I'm impressed with your sterling work Ollie!! Well done! Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 29, 2014 Share #688 Posted May 29, 2014 She's tracking very nicely, Ollie! John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted May 30, 2014 Share #689 Posted May 30, 2014 Really coming together now mate.. the rigging always makes things look right, she's a beaut ! Stay Well Eamonn olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share #690 Posted May 30, 2014 Okay I got my top mast shrouds all finished, seized and tidy.... Then I notice i have made a mistake! I should have attached top of shrouds a little higher than eyebolts and put a brass ring around mast to come off... Oh well I think I will have to live with this one and it may not be too much of an issue, certainly wont stand out in the grand scheme of things.. Lesson learned, examine the plans 8 times not 7! Other than tearing down that whole step and redoing it. its not a 'fixable' I think.. Plus i would probably run short on black cord then.. When i look at the historic sketches it looks as if all top ropes meet at a similar point anyhow... Also looks like only one of these shrouds per side.. Onwards Ollie egkb, ringbolt2013, dgbot and 1 other 4 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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