dragzz Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share #121 Posted March 1, 2014 and thank u to canone for that great in that u send me it will help in my building i go to day and get some clips for the planking Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 1, 2014 Share #122 Posted March 1, 2014 Greetings dragzz Don't put the nails in to deep, make sure you can pull them out later . The ones that are in now will need to be tapped in deeper. Try to get some plastic headed pins they will help a lot. Good luck, and just enjoy yourself......DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmstronginga Posted March 1, 2014 Share #123 Posted March 1, 2014 Dragzz the planking looks uneven to me. Did you sand the frames to make the edges level and a smooth transition to the next frame . You are going to have a difficult time getting a smooth surface for the final planking. I have used Liqitex Modeling Paste to help level and it also helps with the gluing absorption when applying the finish planking. I would recommend you remove the nails because the planking is very thin. I hope you don't take this comment bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #124 Posted March 2, 2014 hello canone this is the frist stage of planking so there no where to use the clips if u know what i mean here the clips i got Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #125 Posted March 2, 2014 to canone and dave in the pic u will see as i took all the planks off . cuz it was not looking good at all so i thot i will redo it it all so i have one plank on right now it is not glued. iam useing t pins so i can take them after . there two stages of planking for the ship .ater i get about half way done u have to start to taper the planks if iam right that what i shows in the plans. but the one plank on there now look much better heres the pic of it . thnaks for all the great info iam takeing all in Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmstronginga Posted March 2, 2014 Share #126 Posted March 2, 2014 Dragzz I am glad you started over. Be sure there is a smooth transition over all of the frames and be sure to plank alternate sides every two or three planks. If you don't you will warp the frame. There is a good book that has helped me with modeling. It is Ship Modeling Simplified by Frank Mastini. I got mine through Modelexpo-online.com. The drawings do not call for any gunports for those between decks. If you plank there is no way to support these guns. Take a look at this area before you plank. I noticed it while installing some vertical supports where we have to cut out the gun holes. Do you have a picture of the fantail looking straight at it? I have your side view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #127 Posted March 2, 2014 the corel build on the victory have been stoped thank u all Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #128 Posted March 2, 2014 hello dave i can not send pm anymore u need to clean the folder out its full Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #129 Posted March 2, 2014 hello dave pm sent Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #130 Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) here an update the deck lines are bad on the ship i have to re do the decks so i took of the frist deck came off just fine i got lucky nothing broke here the pic to see whats on Edited March 2, 2014 by dragzz Aussie048 1 Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #131 Posted March 2, 2014 my big opps i forgot to put in the beams for the deck to sit on i will get right on that thanks for all the help shipyard sid . and canoe21 with all the help its going to look great Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 3, 2014 Share #132 Posted March 3, 2014 Hello dragzz Why has your ship got a billing boat warranty??? Are billing and corel the same ship kit ??? Or does any body else reading this know DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 3, 2014 Author Share #133 Posted March 3, 2014 the book was just off to the side not part of the build at all .got nothing to do with corel the victory has been put a way for now do to the the mail deck broke in half so the deack will need to be redone got to wait on new wood to get to me will take 3 weeks to get here when it gets here i will recut a new deck for Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 4, 2014 Share #134 Posted March 4, 2014 Hello dragzz While you are waiting you can fit out the lower deck, there should be a bit of work there to do, and it will prob need doing first. Catch you later DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share #135 Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) ok now i have had to redo the deck i just got it sitting on the deck beams its as bent as it was befor trying real hard to get this right let me know what u all thank u all for helping me Edited March 5, 2014 by dragzz Aussie048 1 Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 5, 2014 Share #136 Posted March 5, 2014 Hello dragzz Those beams cannot be correct from what I can see. Do the instructions tell you to shape them . Do any have a curved top???? DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share #137 Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) thay haved to shaped yet if i do that it will have bad bend again just like befor i dont want that this is what it will look like when i shape the beams to much of a bend i think Edited March 5, 2014 by dragzz Aussie048 1 Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 6, 2014 Share #138 Posted March 6, 2014 there shouldn't be that much curvature. what you can do is: rib #4 - the beam cemented flush with the top of the posts ribs #5-6-7 the beams can be cemented on the tops of the posts. sand the chamber for the water run off, and take down any high spots {rib #1 may need to have this done} there is a slight curve upward at the bow, so don't despair if you don't get it all. hope this helps out. Shipyard sid 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 6, 2014 Share #139 Posted March 6, 2014 rib #8 may also need to be adjusted as well........but if you've done it as a gradual curve, it should work out OK Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 6, 2014 Share #140 Posted March 6, 2014 Hello dragzz Ok here's the photo of the beams from your plans. As Popeye says the curve on your beams is wrong. You must have a constant curvature across the beam .... The ends of beam on bulkhead 11 should be level with the top of the bulkhead.. The end of the beams on bulkhead 4,5,6 and 7 appear to be the thickness of the deck, or the thickness of the deck plus the planking below the top of the bulkheads, it's hard to be precise without seeing the drawing. The dimension at the end of the beam 8, 9, and 10 is not easy to determine without seeing the drawings. Hopefully someone else may be able to advise you on this problem, is there any member who has built this kit on the site. But dragzz you must have nice smooth curve on them all. I would make numbers 4 - 7 first you can easily adjust the height. Just take your time, you are in no hurry, and it am sure you will get more advice that will be more helpful than mine....DAVID popeye the sailor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted March 6, 2014 Author Share #141 Posted March 6, 2014 thanks popeye thank u shipyard all the info u guys give me is great going i got some comeing over to give me a hand all is good Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmstronginga Posted March 10, 2014 Share #142 Posted March 10, 2014 Dragzz , when you were planking, you were using the large nails in the kit to install your planking. There are some smaller nails included in the kit that work better. Model Expo sells a nailer tool that used the smaller nails and it works great. You don't have to use a hammer to drive the small nails. Just a tip that might be useful. Also I have the same similar slope on my model as you have. I measued from the top of the keel at the bow to the top of my top deck and I am very close to the dimensions on the drawings. I can't imagine trying to make major modificationd to the frames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmstronginga Posted March 12, 2014 Share #143 Posted March 12, 2014 I hope you get back soon to your model as I was pleased to see the progress. Sorry for the beam miss . I am planking now and cutting the holes for the guns. This has turned out to be very difficult. During my progress I noticed that the walls and underneather the deck at frame 4 is viewable and has to be covered with finish material, See what you think. Also the outer walls under the top deck between frames 5-8 will be visable through the hole in the top deck. I will now have trouble covering the walls with a finish product because the top deck is installed.. Another problem is going to be at frame 7 where the frame is in the way of a mounted canon. Again please comment . Believe me , I am just trying to build my model with some assistance. Not trying to be a nusiance. If you want me to stop I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmstronginga Posted March 19, 2014 Share #144 Posted March 19, 2014 Drazz I apologize for my comment that your planking was un-even. So was mine after the first plank. It is the curveature of the side I hope. Any way sorry for the comment. Your ship looked great. Hurry and get back to work. The fantail really has me baffled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share #145 Posted August 25, 2014 here is some work thats been done to it , its been slow going but its all good popeye the sailor, JPett, Shipyard sid and 1 other 4 Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted August 25, 2014 Share #146 Posted August 25, 2014 Welcome back Were on earth have you been?? Well it looks like you have got things sorted now. The planking looks really good. Keep enjoying it DAVID dragzz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share #147 Posted August 25, 2014 iv been here dave not been doing to much just working on the ship i got stuck on one part took a break to think things out on it . u know the plans for this are not 1.1 makeing harder for me .better to go slow take one step at a time for me . i will be posting more as i get more do tys dave for thinking of me Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPett Posted August 25, 2014 Share #148 Posted August 25, 2014 Ahoy Dragzz I would say good is an understatement. I can only hope mine turns out half as nice. I am currently working on the fillers on my build. Not sure what wood was included in your kit but my fillers are made from some form of rock disguised as wood dragzz 1 Quote On with the Show.... J.Pett “If you're going through hell, keep going” (Winston Churchill) Current build: MS Rattlesnake (MS2028) http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/45-model-shipways-rattlesnake-ms2028-scale-164th/ Side Build: HMS Victory: Corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3709-hms-victory-by-jpett-corel-198/?p=104762 On the back burner: 1949 Chris Craft Racer: Dumas http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/939-1949-chris-craft-racer-by-jpett-dumas-kit-no-1702/ Sometime, but not sure when: Frigate Berlin: Corel http://www.corel-srl.it/pdf/berlin.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted August 25, 2014 Share #149 Posted August 25, 2014 glad you posted your progress .....be proud of your accomplishments. have you had any luck in getting those templates of the gun port arrangements? Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragzz Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share #150 Posted August 26, 2014 hello0 jpet where have u been and yes my filler was just as bad as your lol some poeple went to hard wood for thoes i used what was there its was not fun at all all its soo good to here from u again . for me the planking was dang hard part now for thos ports there is tempate dang it Quote this is my dry docks side build hms victory/corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/4698-hms-victroy-by-dragzz-corel-scale-198/ side build waiting on parts /king of the mississippi/ al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3490-king-of-the-mississippi-by-dragzz-al-scale180/?hl=%20king%20%20the%20%20mississipp current build mare nostrum al kit http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8125-mare-nostrum-by-artesania-latina-scale-135-by-dragzz-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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