MikeB4 Posted December 27, 2013 Share #1 Posted December 27, 2013 What makes Model shipways 18th Century Longboat an advanced build. Model Expo is having a really good sale, this boat is only $40. I'm thinking about purchasing this kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 27, 2013 Share #2 Posted December 27, 2013 Mike, Have you had a look at the builds here: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/forum/51-msw-group-build-of-an-18th-century-longboat/ ??? The builds might answer your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdogg Posted December 27, 2013 Share #3 Posted December 27, 2013 I'd buy it, there a is ton of info on this build here on MSW. I do not know how they rate the difficulty levels though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted December 27, 2013 Share #4 Posted December 27, 2013 Basically the planking....<ost folks will buy the kit because its not expensive and small and that alone doe not make it a beginner kit. But often times they think that. Planking a small boat hull like that is much harder than planking a larger hull. The bends and angles required make spiling and shaping the planking a must. This is something that beginner builders can not fudge. Yes the hull is painted but you will see see the run of the planks inboard and using such thin planking material it doesnt leave much room for sanding out errors. Filling any gaps may also be seen inboard. Basically it is the proper planking expertise that makes it an advanced kit. Especially at the small 1/4" scale. That being said. Its a great teaching tool to learn proper planking and with only a few strakes per side they can be ripped off and done over many times. For example, My local club is building the Pinnace kit and we are using it to teach more advanced planking techniques. Some of our members have ripped off the planks three and four times. You will learn how to properly shape a garboard strake and where to place its forward end. Dont let it scare you. Give it a try but if you have never planked a small boat like this before, you should expect some new things to pop up while doing so. Again...read all of the logs on this site as suggested. Chuck ScottRC and fnkershner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted December 28, 2013 thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted December 28, 2013 I've decided to purchase the kit. It'll be a learning experience,hopefully a good one.thanks for all your input. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted December 28, 2013 Share #7 Posted December 28, 2013 Please do join the group and dont hesitate to ask me any questions. It is a fun project. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted December 28, 2013 I Appreciate that, I would never attempt this build if I didn't have all the support. I'm looking forward to this project.I'm going to do my homework and study other builds before I ever even open the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRiddoch Posted January 2, 2014 Share #9 Posted January 2, 2014 Mike, Lots of help if you need it. I am just finishing up my Longboat build and injoyed it very much. Please do not hsitate to ask questions. Bob R. MikeB4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted January 2, 2014 Share #10 Posted January 2, 2014 People assume that an advanced kit is one that takes 1000+ hours of construction time. Wrong. An advanced kit is one that challenges you with techniques you have not encountered before and the need for perfection in every piece installed. There is no way to hide a poorly fitted plank on an open boat. Although I replaced most of the wood provided (the basswood was so soft I thought it was balsa), I found this to be a thourougly enjoyable kit which could reasonably be finished in 100 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB4 Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share #11 Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Basically the planking....<ost folks will buy the kit because its not expensive and small and that alone doe not make it a beginner kit. But often times they think that. Planking a small boat hull like that is much harder than planking a larger hull. The bends and angles required make spiling and shaping the planking a must. This is something that beginner builders can not fudge. Yes the hull is painted but you will see see the run of the planks inboard and using such thin planking material it doesnt leave much room for sanding out errors. Filling any gaps may also be seen inboard. Basically it is the proper planking expertise that makes it an advanced kit. Especially at the small 1/4" scale. That being said. Its a great teaching tool to learn proper planking and with only a few strakes per side they can be ripped off and done over many times. For example, My local club is building the Pinnace kit and we are using it to teach more advanced planking techniques. Some of our members have ripped off the planks three and four times. You will learn how to properly shape a garboard strake and where to place its forward end. Dont let it scare you. Give it a try but if you have never planked a small boat like this before, you should expect some new things to pop up while doing so. Again...read all of the logs on this site as suggested. Chuck Edited January 29, 2014 by MikeB4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekristof Posted September 19, 2017 Share #12 Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) On 27-12-2013 at 8:09 PM, mtaylor said: Mike, Have you had a look at the builds here: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/forum/51-msw-group-build-of-an-18th-century-longboat/ ??? The builds might answer your question. Hi everyone. I know I am quoting an old post. I have my first boat on order and it is the 18th century longboat starter kit. I would love to read the build logs of the group build but I can not find them. The mentioned URL http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/forum/51-msw-group-build-of-an-18th-century-longboat/ gives me an error. I found a forum section about archived items (see https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/forum/59-general-info-about-group-projects-on-model-ship-world-and-past-groups-archived/ ) but there is only 1 topic. Are the build logs still available and if so, can anyone give me a link? Thank you! Edit: please forget my newbie question. I tried some more searching and suddenly I have a whole list of build logs of the longboat. I must have done something wrong... Edited September 19, 2017 by dekristof my question is answered Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted September 19, 2017 Share #13 Posted September 19, 2017 All of the build logs have been moved to the "Build logs for kits" area. The group was shut down long ago. But all of the build logs remain. Click here to see most of them after I did a search in that forum. https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/search/&q=longboat&type=forums_topic&nodes=10&search_in=titles&sortby=relevancy Derek C, dekristof, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dekristof Posted September 20, 2017 Share #14 Posted September 20, 2017 Thank you! The speed and accuracy of the answers on this forum is amazing. Derek C and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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