HMS Pegasus 1776 by Trussben - 1:48 - Swan class sloop based on TFFM

[Trussben]

Thanks all for the comments.

 

Martin - the workshop will be much larger than that, the back basement for the full size dirty tools is almost complete, at 12x25, just finished painting, now need to complete lighting and outlets.

The front basement where the actual shipyard will be is 25x25, that is the pic I posted, I am still doing demo of the old family room at the moment so still a few months away.

 

Ben

[mtaylor]

A workshop you can be comfortable is everything... well... maybe not "everything"..         Get it the way you want it, Ben.  

[Falco-_-De]

Beautifull vessel i will follow with interest 

Michael

[Trussben]

Getting much closer to having a functioning workshop again, a few more power outlets to install now I have figured where everything is going.

 

Ben

[Trussben]

Getting back to work on Pegasus may be delayed due to hull movement in its new home, the new workshop has low humidity and of course it's winter time, may have to wait until summer and hope it expands and closes the gaps.

Maybe some work of my Confederacy while I wait.

 

Ben

[druxey]

Even a shallow bowl of water in the shop might help things, Ben. Ideally a humidifier is best, but it's better than nothing. Varying humidity due to seasonal change is the enemy of wooden models. Try to keep things relatively stable year round.

[Trussben]

Yeh Druxey, I'm thinking about getting a whole home humidifier installed to our warm air furnace to take care of this issue and help with other problems.

 

Ben

[druxey]

It also assists respiratory health in wintertime!

[yancovitch]

and lighting...so so so important...did you use the new led bulbs?.......lucky if you can use a humidifier....difficult where i am, as the water contains so much calcium and manganese...........and wow...i was never aware of that kind of problem with that technique of building.....hope you find a solution................

Edited February 21, 2016 by yancovitch

[dvm27]

This happened to Franklin, while building his beautiful Egmont model. He applied a wet cloth to the hull overnight and in the morning it was back to speck. I believe he added the wales and some internal planks and the problem was solved.

[Rustyj]

Wow Ben. Sorry to see that your having expansion problems. Hopefully getting the humidity

stabilized will keep it from happening again. On the good side that's a great looking workshop

you've got going there. Good luck.

[Remcohe]

Sorry to hear about your humidity issues. But that will sort out with the 'right equipment'  

I love your workshop, lots of space and light.

 

Remco

[Mike Y]

Had the same with my model, and luckily the gaps closed completely as soon as humidity returned to the normal level and stayed there for a few days. But it was scary!

Your model is truly a museum-quality, and museum quality requires museum humidity controlling equipment Consider it as a compliment from mother nature

Edited February 21, 2016 by Mike Y

[Trussben]

Thanks all, I have placed a shallow dish of water right next to the model now as a stop gap to try and alleviate some of the issue and stop it getting worse while I figure a way to fix long term.

 

Yancovitch - Yep, new 4 foot LED shoplights have been installed, for light quality, energy efficiency and long life.

 

Ben

[druxey]

Pop a plastic sheet over the model and dish! 

[Trussben]

Good idea Druxey.

 

Ben

[Canute]

Those delicate wood pieces need a humidity percentage in the mid 40's. Go down into the 30% range or lower and cracks start.  Most home "weather stations" have a relative humidity range displayed on them. I have one at each end of my house (a ranch style) and my forced hot air furnace has a humidifier attached to the plenum on the furnace. I maintain the whole house between 41 and 45% all winter.

 

Hope the framing recovers. It looks very good.

[Martin W]

That's such a terrific workshop that I'm sure the humidity & lighting issues will become things of the past. 

 

Am I just a wee bit jealous?

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

[Trussben]

So back to my Pegasus build, some major issues stemming from my move have badly affected the hull, I have had obvious and pretty severe distortions in the keel and framing in the midships area, large gaps between frames and twisting have occurred.

The hull is stable now due to my adding humidity control of the workshop but the damage has been done.

Now what to do about it??

 

1. Start all over again.

2. A la Mark and his Licorne, save what I can and rebuild what I cannot.

 

I'm leaning towards no2, remove as many frames as can be saved, and make a new keel for them to be fixed to.

 

I will update when I have decided which way I'm going to go.

 

Ben

[realworkingsailor]

Ouch, that's a tough break! I hope that there's a good bit that is salvageable, and all that's needed is a new keel piece!

 

Andy

[Trussben]

Hey Andy,

 

Nice to see you around again.

 

I hope when I cut into the hull I can save the fore and aft sections.

 

Ben

[druxey]

I'm sure that much is salvageable, Ben. Just get out the isopropanol bath!

[mtaylor]

Ben,

Try the isopropyl.  Maybe resetting some frames?   If it's just the keel, that's good.  

[ChrisLBren]

Yikes sorry to hear Ben - hopefully you can salvage and rebuild the elements that are warped.

[Rustyj]

My heart breaks for you. Good luck Ben!

[yancovitch]

always admired those people who did this kind of work....at least 10 times the work of plank on bulkhead and at least 10 times the heartbreak when things go wrong.........and you probably won't cheat a bit to make things look better

Edited May 17, 2016 by yancovitch

[Martin W]

Sorry about that mishap, Ben, it's one of those things we all fear.  Onward is the word!

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

[Mike Y]

Ben, it is still an incredible model! Maybe replace the cracked frames with a slightly thicker ones?

[dvm27]

Damn, Ben, sorry to see this happen to you. This seem to be a common problem when placing fillers between the frames and creating a solid wall of timber. It looks like you should be able to break down the hull into three or four large sections where the major gaps appear. Assuming the keel is still to spec (do remeasure it!) perhaps you can reassemble the groups onto the keel with slightly larger fillers in the gaps. Good luck.

[michael mott]

Ben, Looking at those last shots inside the hull tells me that the wood has definitely shrunk across the grain, do not discount the wet towel Idea, when I took the tarp off my large boat maria this spring the deck planks had done the exact same thing because of the low humidity. One of the reasons that oakum caulked boats do not like being out of the water they shrink across the planks and then leak until they swell back up.

 

I was pouring water over the oiled planks for three days without much success then changed my strategy and laid wed towels over the deck and it all swelled back up in a day.

 

I would expect that once the wood swells back that the other issues will also lessen. I cannot hurt and is much less work that tearing it apart. once the wood has swelled then keeping the humidity stable should hold things untill the longitudenal elements are added.

 

Michael