Shipyard sid Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share #31 Posted March 1, 2013 Derek If you mean how am I going to be certain that all the lids are consistent in there assembly, you need to jig up especially when there are so Many to assemble. I have made a very simple jig for the hinge position, as the hinge needs to positioned 1mm from the rear edge of the lid. I just locate the lid up to the back of the jig which has the 1mm recess, and lock it in position and glue on the hinges, with a guide for the hinge position, simple but effective. photos show simplicity itself. DAVID Jerry and aspesBels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted March 1, 2013 Share #32 Posted March 1, 2013 David what i meant was the lids have to be all at the same level IE none sagging down of upwards all straight out,or are you doing that bit by eye. DEREK Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted March 1, 2013 Share #33 Posted March 1, 2013 Hello David, Your rudder assembly looks great to me, and thanks for the gun port lid jig idea...it's filed away for sometime in the next couple of years when I get there! I think Gil had a system for making sure all the lids are positioned at the same angle (doesn't he have a system for everything?) on his old log, but not sure if he's put it up on his new one. Still plugging away at second planking on my end. Patrick Quote HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share #34 Posted March 1, 2013 Greetings Thanks a lot Patrick and derek. The device for setting the angle is still on Gil middletons log. Page 2. Scroll down , a long way!!!! You will see it. They should call him.... Gil the jig..... DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted March 1, 2013 Share #35 Posted March 1, 2013 David just a thought was thinking about those gun barrels,if you put them in after all the lids are you going to catch some and pull them off,maybe a row of lids and a row of barrels or barrels first,quess it comes down to a personal choice DEREK Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share #36 Posted March 1, 2013 Derek I am going to drill the holes for the barrel spigots first, and then fit the gunport lids. The barrels will be then easy to locate and glue in position as the upward angling of the lids gives you a clear view of the gunport. I can see we're you are coming from derek, and think this will be the best way to do it. DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share #37 Posted March 3, 2013 Greetings Well over the last three days I have built eleven gun port lids, my aim was to do all the lids for the middle and upper deck on the port side of the ship. I think that's twenty one or twenty two. Anyway I got a bit bored after a while, and decided to have a break and fit some. I fitted five tonight and they are not to bad. The only problem I had was the 1mm recess as I said earlier, so needed to sort them as I fitted the lids. I adjusted the angle of the lids by eye and they seem ok. What I was concerned about was knocking the lids when moving the the ship about, so I decided to buy a lazy Susan which I think is worth spending a few quid on. Anyway I am pretty pleased with my progress. I would like to thank you all for viewing and all your comments. Here's a few photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted March 3, 2013 Share #38 Posted March 3, 2013 Hello David see your enjoying the lids actually they look good mate,tell you what might be worth bearing in mind,the side entry port canopy and steps,a few of those steps are right up against the gun ports David,might be a idea to put those on first while you have the space. Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share #39 Posted March 3, 2013 Cheers derek I only have two more lids to do on this deck plus the rigols, and there may be a few obstacles on the way as you say, so I might do those steps and the canopy thing next. Thanks for your advice. Is your rudder on yet?? DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted March 3, 2013 Share #40 Posted March 3, 2013 Hello David lol it is rudder on rudder off on and off darn thing dont want to stick there some drilled some holes going to try and pin it. Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted March 3, 2013 Share #41 Posted March 3, 2013 David, Your gunport lids are looking good. It must be a great feeling to be at the stage of adding these sorts of details and bringing the ship to life. Makes me realize how far I still have to go. My second planking is coming along well though and I should have some new pics to post soon. I agree with you on the lazy susan idea and was thinking the same thing as I plan ahead. I'm going to need to get creative as the work bench I'm working on isn't deep enough to turn the ship around on and darn the thing is getting heavy to pick up and turn! Looking forward to more of your progress. Cheers, Patrick Shipyard sid 1 Quote HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share #42 Posted March 3, 2013 Hello Patrick Yes it is good getting to this stage, the eyelets are are a devil ( being polite) they are all over the carpet, they kept jumping out of the tweezers and the stem needs to be about 1mm, plus the tweezers get CA on them. I decided to slip the eyelet on a pin so i did loose it while locating it. You learn as you go on. I have the ship on a board on top of a computer desk top, so can slide the board forward to create the clearance to rotate it on a lazy Susan. Thanks a lot, look forward to your updates DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted March 7, 2013 Share #43 Posted March 7, 2013 David, I've been going through the various Victory logs looking for a tip from someone regarding getting a straight edge at the waterline for the coppering. I think it may have been you who said to put a 1mm x 1mm styrene (or other material?) strip at the waterline to get an edge for the copper plates. Am I right, or do you know whose idea it was? Cheers Patrick Quote HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share #44 Posted March 7, 2013 Yep it was me I will send photo to my log and you can see it there ( I am rubbish at this sending lark ) going to look now , I will send you a post when I sort it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share #45 Posted March 7, 2013 For patrick I made this marker thing, the marker is approx 105mm from the base. Stand your ship on keel on a flat base and square it up and wedge it in position. Draw all the way around hull with marker and glue styrene around line. I think I used .5mm x 1mm like derek said. Hope this helps DAVID. Check 105mm dimension on drawing. Sorry for photo quality clipper and xavjar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted March 7, 2013 Share #46 Posted March 7, 2013 Dont see many of those gadgets in B&Q David Derek Shipyard sid 1 Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted March 7, 2013 Share #47 Posted March 7, 2013 Thanks David. That's what I was looking for. Quote HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share #48 Posted March 7, 2013 Greetings one and all I have spent a few days fitting hinges and eyelets to the 14 upper deck guns and painting them. Tonight I loose fitted the cannons to check the alignment and they seem ok, and if any adjustment is needed there is no problem. I simply drilled them by eye, after trying to use a spirit level Phile ( the glass bit whatever it is called) blue tacked on the top of my small drill. Well the idea was there !!!! But it didn't work for me......I had bubble trouble!!!!. Fitting the lids is pretty easy, and I just lined them up by eye. I fitted six and will leave them overnight and will secure the threads to the hull tomorrow. I am definitely going to do a better job than I did on the earlier ports, which was not very good, with the thread sagging. I think it's just a matter of pulling the thread tight and touch of ca on the eyelet, I don't know why I didn't do it before. I also fitted the canopy, but I dropped a bit of a clanger earlier today. I deleted some of my photos of my last post, when deleting a message I had left. I will put a few of them back up with the ones I am posting now. Well there you go, once again I am pretty happy with things and will post again when I have finished the full 14 lids and guns. Thanks to you all for viewing and your comments. Here's some photos. DAVID Sidfisher and xavjar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted March 7, 2013 Share #49 Posted March 7, 2013 David a curiosity question are you not going to paint the end of the cannons red to match the others ? DEREK Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share #50 Posted March 7, 2013 Hello derek Yes I am derek, I noted earlier I had not painted a few of them. The last six are not fitted yet and need another coat of black, and I will paint the red then. I am now finding it not to bad doing these lids derek, once you get into it it's ok....I kept thinking back to those copper plates!!!!!!! Catch you tomorrow .......starting lids?????? DAvid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artificer Posted March 8, 2013 Share #51 Posted March 8, 2013 David You have made a really good job of the gun port lids but I have a question. Why are you attaching the gun port lids now? I note from your log that you have yet to attach the channels, chain plates and brass profile strip to the hull, won't the lids get in the way of these and as they are delicate may get damaged. I am doing the channels and profile strip at present and intend to leave the gun port lids until its absolutely neccessary. Dave Shipyard sid 1 Quote Currently building CC HMS Victory (6 years and counting) Future Builds: Victory models 1/64th HMS Victory, Commerce De Marseille (Scratchbuild)and my Japanese Model Rail layout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share #52 Posted March 8, 2013 Yep Dave 100% correct. I shall stop fitting the lids and fit the channels and chain plates etc first, as you correctly pointed out should be done first. Thanks for your advice which is very much appreciated DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xavjar Posted March 9, 2013 Share #53 Posted March 9, 2013 Hi, Great advise on the water line marker.....er thingy..... thanks for sharing your design, I'm following your log with great interest but the down side to me doing this is that I now know that I have 2500+ copper tiles to install!!!!! never mind, Enjoy your build mate, Phil, Quote Current Build: HMS Victory 1:84 YNWA Cheers Phil, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted March 9, 2013 Share #54 Posted March 9, 2013 David, Thanks for the advice and tips on coppering on my log. Your coppering technique is one I followed closely and helped me decide how I'm going to approach the coppering. As Phil said above, only 2500+ tiles to go. That can't take longer than, what...a couple of hours? Patrick Quote HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share #55 Posted March 9, 2013 Patrick You don't spell weeks like that in the uk!!!!! DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share #56 Posted March 14, 2013 Greetings everyone Well I have finished only one channel over the last three days. I made the decision to start the channels and complete them all on the port side of the ship, then add the brass strip etc and then return to the gunport lids after being advised I may have a problem with channels, with the lids in the way. Absolutely correct ...I had fitted some of the upper deck lids, so I finished them off as they seemed safe from any damage. Famous last words!!!!!!. The fitting of the channels should be easy, but the strops on the dead eyes are as far as I am concerned to short. The lower area of the strop which locates in slots on the channel will not locate correctly, there are two lugs on the stem of the strop which should locate on the underside of the channel to eliminate any pull out during rigging. The stem of the strop is not long enough to allow the lugs to locate. There is also a problem with the chain plate attaching to the hooking area because of the length of the strop. Anyway after improvision I have managed to fit the first channel, but don't know what I shall do about the rest of the channels as the first one is a bit better than poor. OK that's my winge over and done with. Thanks for all your advice and comments and reading my log. Here are a few more photos. Here we go....DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort stoll Posted March 14, 2013 Share #57 Posted March 14, 2013 Hi David, Sorry to hear about the problem. Can you remake the strops out of wire or am I way off? Mort Shipyard sid 1 Quote Current Build - Caldercraft Victory Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William Waiting to be Launched - Bluejacket Constitution Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipyard sid Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share #58 Posted March 14, 2013 Mort I actually thought of that, but will see what others may have came up, as it does not look good at all. DAVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artificer Posted March 15, 2013 Share #59 Posted March 15, 2013 David With regards to the deadeye strops, the lugs on the strops are suppose to locate in the cut-outs for the channels and not the underside of the channel. To aid this I drilled a small hole (0.5mm) in to the corner of the cut-out, this helped in locating the lugs and ensured that they hold fast under tension. When assembled each strop was secured with a drop of CA and the 1.5mm * 1.5mm walnut strip which runs along the edge of the channel. If you take at look at my log you will see the channels and hopefully all will become clear. Hope this helps Regards Dave Quote Currently building CC HMS Victory (6 years and counting) Future Builds: Victory models 1/64th HMS Victory, Commerce De Marseille (Scratchbuild)and my Japanese Model Rail layout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean clipper Posted March 15, 2013 Share #60 Posted March 15, 2013 Hi all well in regards to these strops i am not sure what to say i have tried Daves idea of drilling holes in cut outs,it did not work for me just bent the flimsy strops out of shape,i have also left one of the lugs underneath that also seems to be wrong,either way leaves very little room for movement i to think they come up short.The sad thing is the manual appears to have missed all out on the fitting of these,at least there is not a thing in mine,this is not the first thing jotika have forgot to include either.So holes in cut outs lugs underneath who is right who is wrong nothing anywhere to say.One thing i will say these strops and chains are by far the cheapest looking i have seen to date very poor in manafacture,brass etching not good enough,going to see what other strops can be used,unfortuantly there are no other chains to replace what we are given.Even the chesstrees details was not in the manual had to read else where they need 2 hols drilled in then sorry jotika this is a epic fail on your part DEREK Quote current build HMS Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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