darr Posted January 13, 2014 Share #1 Posted January 13, 2014 Hi there , this isnt for me but my dad who had a heart attack some time back and is now more of less retired .. the other night there was an advert of TV for a magazine and a model ship ( over like 120 weeks and a cost of over a 1000 euro) anyways this sparked a conversation about that he used do this type of wooden ship building when he was young and he would like to try it again .. so I had a look and was looking for some advice .. is there any complete kits you can buy and by complete I mean starter kits .. so with tools and a 100% parts complete model set you can buy .. I would like to see some options and then he could pick which one to go for if anyone knows of such kits .. the only one I have seen was this http://www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=MS2027SP any others out there ? ... he would be fairly ok with his hands and following detailed instructions thanks all and sorry if this was asked before but I dont have a clue .. I like boats but I race em not build em ( thundercat type) Darr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted January 13, 2014 Share #2 Posted January 13, 2014 Darr, Nature Coast Hobby Shop also sells this sort of kit/tool combo. Personally, I would be cautious about buying something like this, as the tools included might or might not be something your dad would find useful, and for the prices listed you can probably buy a kit and some basic tools for less. If your dad has not modeled anything in a while, I'd recommend one of the kits from Midwest Products to get old skills back up to speed. These kits are inexpensive (and can usually be found on eBay for significantly less than retail), have good instructions, and always include a thorough list of needed tools, some of which are likely already in your dad's house somewhere. Kind regards, Monarch and darr 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawdust Posted January 13, 2014 Share #3 Posted January 13, 2014 Hello Darr, It would probably be a good idea to indicate country of residence. I am thinking it might be the UK? In which case the availability of Bluejacket , Mid west, and model Shipways products is somewhat limited. If this is the case Take a look at Cornwall Model Boats. They carry a comprehensive selection of all the European manufactures and their prices are very competitive. I agree the simpler the better would be a good choice. Kip darr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 14, 2014 Share #4 Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Darr, Here's a couple of articles to look at: http://modelshipworldforum.com/resources/materials_and_tools/HandTools.pdf http://modelshipworldforum.com/resources/plans_and_research/ModelShipKitsexpect.pdf http://modelshipworldforum.com/resources/plans_and_research/KitSelection.pdf Depending on what country you're located in will pretty much drive any decisions. Since there was a commercial and the price in Euros, I'm assuming you're on the east side of the Atlantic... darr 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darr Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Thanks all , I'll check out the links .. while your right in that he might have all the tools he was invloved in electrics for heavy industry and they may be at the other end of the scale size . located in Ireland but the company I work for have offices in the US and I can generally get any sent from there . I would hate to have get him one only for him to start and then go oh now you need this and it will be a few weeks before that arrives etc etc .. again thank you all . Darr Also I know this type of question has probably been asked a 1000 times so I very much do appreciate the responses Edited January 14, 2014 by darr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkay11 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #6 Posted January 14, 2014 Cornwall Model Boats also stock a very good range of tools as well as some tool packages (that may not be so useful) at competitive prices. Once you have looked at the links to the tools lists already posted by Mark, you'll find you can buy them from CMB. If your dad has already expressed the interest and he knows you are doing this for him, you might like to ask him what tools he would like. Another approach would be to buy the kit and then ask him what tools he would like to go with it after he has had a poke around the wood that is supplied with the kit, the instructions, etc. You might be into buying glue of two types (cyano-acrylate and PVA), tweezers, lots of cheap clamps, knives with spare blades, pin vice with micro drill bits, and razor saw with mitre box as well as paint set and brushes if he decides to paint. You'll find that many of the kits come with a recommended paint set. You may also find that if you buy a tool set that some of the included tools are never used as they are not really useful. Tony darr 1 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarch Posted January 14, 2014 Share #7 Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Darr Most of the tools used in model ship building are very easy to get hold of so I would not worry too much about waiting for weeks. It is better to start building with a very basic toolkit and buy or borrow as you go along or in some cases use the excellent tips that are available through this forum to use everyday objects as tools e.g. I use the Admiral's nail files (not the glass ones, not that stupid) to sand in small and difficult places as they can be cut down to virtually any shape. I agree with those recommending Cornwall Model Boats but I also use Ebay and Amazon and other online stockists and delivery is usually within a couple of days. Regards Glyn darr and tkay11 2 Quote Current build - HM Mortar Convulsion (Caldercraft) - Suspended pending rigging experience HMS Sharke (Sergal)On the shelf: HMAV Bounty (Caldercraft), Portsmouth (Mamoli) & HMS Victory (Caldercraft) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darr Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted January 14, 2014 Thanks again all .. ok have spotted http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/corel_ranger.html or http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/constructo-albatros.html or http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/vm_lady_nelson.html I had a look here and the albatros didn't seem to be the best quality . the ranger seems to have lots going for it .. and the LN looks good quality and I can get him a DVD to help .. any thoughts or exp with the above 3 finalist ? Darr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkay11 Posted January 14, 2014 Share #9 Posted January 14, 2014 Lady Nelson is a great kit. I would have bought it instead of the Sherbourne, but it was out of stock at the time. Your dad will also get lots of help from this forum whatever he builds. Tony Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawdust Posted January 14, 2014 Share #10 Posted January 14, 2014 Hello Darr, I think of the three you have listed the Lady Nelson is an excellent choice. Victory models produce quality kits with excellent materials. With a single mast the rigging is relatively easy The fact that the instructions are in English is an added bonus. I didn't know they had produced a DVD of this kit, Where did you see that listed? Your dad can buy tools as he progresses, but to begin with make sure he has a good hobby knife and a plentiful supply of #11 blades along with a selection of different grades of sand paper. Perhaps one book on model ship making is a good idea. One of my favourites is " Ship Modelling from Kits simplified " by Frank Mastini . It may be possible to pick up an inexpensive used copy through abebooks.com. I am a great fan of Hubert Sicard's site "Wooden Ship Modelling for Dummies. A membership costs $40 . It is possible to take a somewhat restricted peek before laying out the money. It is continually updated and contains much useful information, tips and techniques often illustrated with video clips. I look forward to your father joining us on MSW. Kip tkay11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted January 14, 2014 Share #11 Posted January 14, 2014 The Victory Models line, a subsidiary of Amati and of which the Lady Nelson is a part, is an excellent range of kits. Cutters make good first models, and there are many build logs of cutters here at MSW to peruse for tips. Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darr Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) ok will go for Lady Nelson just waiting to hear when its will be in stock from CMB or I could probably get it on line anyways .. but I like Cornwall ( having lived there for a few years ) here is the DVD : http://www.modelshipyard.com.au/product.asp?id=2105&pid=293 He should have most tools but think I will get the basic pack to from CMB to ensure he has enough to get started . Thanks again and Ill be sure to get him online here when I get it ( and now will probably get something for myself .. if the kids ever let me get 5 min to myself) Oh and should I get him one of these ? http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/amati_7382.html Edited January 15, 2014 by darr sawdust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted January 15, 2014 Share #13 Posted January 15, 2014 Hi darr. I have built this one and its builds into a nice cross section model. http://shop.deagosti...bscription.html Comes in weekly parts that they mail order you once a Mounth *4There are a couple of build logs on the forum.And there is a build log on there forum :- http://forum.model-s...x?g=topics&f=93Quality of the kit is OK, Instructions comes in a Magazine once a week. Very basic tools required IE knife. files. small saw.sandpaper and glue. Regards Antony. Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkay11 Posted January 15, 2014 Share #14 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) The keel clamp by Amati is nice but it is a bit expensive and a lot of modellers seem to get by quite well without one. I don't have one and can't say I miss having one. So maybe nice to have but not essential. Others may well disagree. Tony [edit] Advice that others often give on the forum is to start with what you have and then gradually add tools when you feel you really need them. That cuts down the drawers of tools that you may use only once. Edited January 15, 2014 by tkay11 darr 1 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darr Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #15 Posted January 15, 2014 got it thanks all .. now just waiting to see when its coming in stock in the mean time Ill try find links to build logs etc .. Cheers Darr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darr Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share #16 Posted January 16, 2014 looks like it will be Feb before it gets in ..so I found a copy of Ship Modelling from Kits simplified for 8 pound which is on its way now .. think I might pick up a LN for myself now when they are in stock Darr mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawdust Posted January 16, 2014 Share #17 Posted January 16, 2014 Hello Darr pleased to heat that you managed to pick up a used copy of Mastini's book and are also planning to purchase an additional Lady Nelson for yourself. Did you manage to take a peek at "Ship Modelling for Dummies"? Enjoy the journey, Kip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darr Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted January 16, 2014 Yep had a look at the site and will probably take out a sub once we get the kits but I'm going to get the dvd for sure a it's specific to the lady Nelson Darr sawdust and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted January 16, 2014 Share #19 Posted January 16, 2014 Glad to hear that you not only found something for your Dad, but also that you are now "hooked" yourself! I do hope we'll see build logs for both you and your Dad. mtaylor 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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