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News flash! With pictures.. :)  Starting to take shape now.. Looks good to see those curves begin on her..

 

I think you are right about focusing on the strength of first planking rather than appearance before sanding, especially if pins or planking screws are going to be used on second layer.. Which is kind of inevitable.. Pays to get glue between planks not just on bulkheads too.. (imho)

 

Also regarding strength....  If you look at when i installed my keel, (page 9) You will see i 'dremelled' out between planks along keel line and epoxied it all in so it will hold all plank ends in together to keel. . :D   Keep them news flashes coming//

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Thanks Ollie, yea I'm gluing between the planks as I go along.. will try to pick up that yellow glue that Kester spoke about as my regular wood glue isn't the fastest at 'grabbing' hold.

Once the 1st layer of planking is done i'll be attaching the Keel and Bow timbers which will help hold the ends/edges of the 2nd planking in place (Rabbet to be cut first)

She's at that point now where you just want to keep looking at it to imagine the pleasing hull lines (Hmmmm I may need to get out more :P )

 

Thanks again for checking in Ollie

 

Eamonn

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Eamonn,

 

Ollie makes a good point about putting glue on the edge of the planks, as well as the bulkheads. Basically anywhere they are likely to touch. I think you'll find the glue I mentioned, with it's superior 'grabbing' qualities, a much better option. I hope you manage to find it.

 

Btw, I dont think that periodically looking at your model, either at her lines or your latest work, is a qualification for the local loony bin! I find myself doing that frequently! :)

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Phew Kester that's a relief, I was beginning to think it was just me...

 

I may have to go online to find that glue, am struggling to locate it near me (I might see if it can be ordered in)

 

Small Update whilst I'm here Folks:  3 more planks per side in place now, the Filler blocks are doing 2 jobs now, 1, to shape the flow of the planks & 2. to help hold the flat 'shouldered' map pins in place! I highly recommend those Filler Blocks!!

 

Take Care

 

Eamonn

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Yeah filler blocks helped me too..  Hey Eamonn, I found it hard to find good quality wood glue here also.. i think if i had of gone to a proper cabinet shop i may have found it,, but i ordered Canadian Elmers and Ameriacn titebond, my prefered one is the elmers, it contains wood fibres and it can be stained and varnished etc.. reAsonably thick and sets enough to take off clamps pins in half hour (in my climate) .. Can send you a Llnk to shop i ordered from, OLLIE

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Hi Eamonn

 

Just a thought in your hull planking, I found that I had far better luck with planking if I soaked them in water for an hour or so. cut the forward angle to your plank and then pin it to your hull forms to dry for around a hour or so. This is quite time consuming, so I did one plank on each side. I think that it is only 3 or 4 planks per side that are giving you this trouble, then go back to your old way. This worked for me, Enjoy.

 

Regards Lawrence

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 Hello Eamonn,   carpenters glue  the yellow alphatic type both elmers  and titebond is readily available in all DIY stores here in Canada, Have you tried B&Q?  Generic alphatic type glue is also available under other brand names in various hardware stores. I used it all the time when making furniture, For model ship building I actually prefer pva (the white stuff) and achieve instant clamping by interspersing my glue line with an occasional drop of Ca gel type, For example when planking I apply pva along the edge of the plank and a small amount of ca on each bulkhead  just before I finally positioning the plank on each bulkhead.  Just my 2pennorth  ( forgotten the Gaelic for penny)

Enjoy the journey,

 Kip

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Thanks Ollie & Lawrence, It will do no harm to have that Web Address Ollie (I'm sure it would be of help to others on here too, so Post away ;) ) BTW I recommend for anyone to nip over to Ollie's build and take a look at his final planking!!

 

I've been soaking the planks 6 at a time Lawrence and shaping them (Trimming them as I go) prior to Bending with a Plank Bender (A well handy bit of kit) I found that around half an hour soaking was great! they are 1mm planks, were yours thicker for that 'big ol' ' Victory?

The planks are taking the hull shape nicely, few gaps mind you but nothing too serious (not enough to put a dint into my warehouse load of filler :P )

Remember Folks there are still some franchises left for 'Eamonn's Filler Shop'...

 

Thanks Again for Looking In Guys, and for the advice, and thanks too to everyone else who happens by..

 

 

Take Care,

 

Eamonn

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I'm a regular with Cornwall MB Kester, but never thought of their glue range (just had a quick look over there as I'm typing this, and there is lots of Aliphatic glue listed) Brilliant suggestion!!

 

I haven't used CA (would you believe I thought CA meant Contact Adhesive for years!!) on the planking yet Kip, but it seems logical especially to handle awkward places whilst the Wood glue sets, I used it on my Bounty build to hold pieces that were difficult to keep in position with wood glue (I would lightly lick both surfaces to stop the CA from soaking in, my girlfriend saw me do this once and thought it was odd to say the least, some weird timber tasting fetish :P )

 

Bye For Now

 

Eamonn

 

Keep the advice coming folks!

 

Edit: I notice that Cornwall Model Boats also has Titebond listed !

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Am I right in thinking that these Aliphatic Glues are not specifically for model making !

 

Eamonn

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 You are correct. here they are often referred to as carpenters glue and  have a short grab time and when cured an extremely strong joint.

Kip

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Brilliant.. I'll nip out soon to a hardware store and take a looksee around.

 

Eamonn

 

Coming Soon to a Town Near You.. 'Eamonn's Glue & Filler One Stop Shop' .. as seen on MSW !

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Brief New Photo Update:  The hull is closing up nicely, I reckon 1 or 2 more visits should complete it then checking out the gaps & lots of sanding  followed by attaching Keel/Bow & cutting the Rabbet.

 

The photo pointed out to me a slight rise/lift in the 2nd last plank on the bottom section of the photo between 'visible' bulkheads 3 & 4 which has been dealt with.

 

Incidentally, I was unable to pick up any of that glue we were discussing so I shall just have to go online.

 

Thanks for checking in.

 

Eamonn

 

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Thanks Kip, I'll get right onto that (I even have some 6mm wide timber coming this week hopefully which should help with the Garboard, my original is 4mm!)

 

Cheers for the tip and to Ollie & Nigel for the Likes on Kips post (shows ye are all thinking the same way! :P )

 

Take Care Folks

 

Eamonn

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Makes total sense Nigel, work has brought me to a slight halt for a day or two, but I hope to get back to building  either tomorrow or day after (Wed) timber shouldn't be too far away by then (I actually picked it up for the 2nd layer bulwarks, as I didn't wish to use the rather dark stuff that came with the kit for 2nd planking, lower down the hull will be fine but not for the upper Bulwarks)

 

Thanks for all the help and tips guys.

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

 

BTW the glue is winging it's way to me from Delux as of today ! WooHoo :P

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Hi Eamonn

 

Great job you are doing on your hull planking, she sure is looking good. The hull planking has always been the favourite part of my build. It is always amazing to see the lines of your ship taking shape  over the seemingly almost shapeless hull framing. Keep up the great work and enjoy.

 

Regards   Lawrence

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Thanks Lawrence, I totally agree with being able to see the shape materialise.. in fact I was discussing something similar with Kester a few posts back about liking to look at the model and imagine the lines!! seems like there is another member of the ' Boat Hulls Appreciation Society'.. ;)

 

Vikky is looking brilliant by the way, I like the fact that you fixed the lettering even though I imagine it was awkward to do!

 

Take Care Mate

 

Eamonn

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All Righty Then.. The hull is 'closed over' WooHoo!!  and as soon as the glue is dry I'll crack open one of my warehouse loads of filler :P After that comes the sanding and eventual installation of the Keel/Bow pieces (+ Rabbet of course).

I have to wait until my timber shipment arrives before beginning 2nd planking as I want to use the lighter coloured wood I ordered for the first 5 or so rows on the Bulwarks.

 

Thanks for looking in

 

Eamonn

 

Oh! and there is even a Photo.. I really spoil ye folks ;)

 

 

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Hey there Nigel, The aliphatic hasn't shown up yet so I continued along with my usual wood glue, I won't touch it until tomorrow anyhoo as It's way too miserable in my work room (weather is brutal, was down taking photos of the crashing waves earlier) Ballahoo is sitting in the heat of my living room at present to help the glue set.

 

All The Best Nigel

 

Eamonn

 

BTW I'd be happy enough with 'Rubberyness' as a word (but then again my friends say that I'm worse than Joyce for using my own weird words :P )

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Hi Eamonn

 

It is nice to see the hull all closed in, now with a little bit of fill she will be read to move on to the next stage of your build, Are you going to do a second planking? if so this  one will be a lot easier as the wood is so much thinner and will bend very easily.   Enjoy.

 

Regards   Lawrence

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Hi Lawrence, yup she will be 2nd planked, this won't happen until my new batch of timber arrives (next day or so hopefully) as I want to plank the Bulwark area (top-sides) in a lighter wood than the Walnut supplied as this area won't be painted.  So some filling and sanding are in my immediate future.. not as tough I feel as the 200 or so hammocks you are in the process of creating :P

 

Thanks for stopping by.

 

Eamonn

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Hot off the Camera !

 

Copious quantities of filler (just kiddin) and Phase 1 of Much Sanding later.. and we appear to have a decent hull shape! WooHoo :P

 

Next Up:  Phase 2 of Much Sanding.

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

 

BTW I trimmed off the 1st planking overhangs at the stern too, though it needs to be addressed further.  And incidentally all you Ballyahoo'ers out there the issue with the 2nd Bulkhead not being 'low' enough doesn't seem to be a problem (I only beefed it up a little early on, but if you examine Plan No 1, you will see that 'issue' is there too! the Garboard strake and the next plank take care of this in that they almost go vertical in this area, just like the 'Dead Drop' at the stern)

 

Anyhoo.. Photo Time.. ;)

 

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Hi Kester, filler reserves are borderline.. I'm down to about a mere 20 year supply, so it's touch and go whether there will be enough for 3 builds.. :P  

 

I'd go along with the Chinese origin of Rubberyness, am sure I've chewed plenty of things from the menu that would define it! Squid in Black Bean Sauce comes to mind ;)

 

Phase 2 of Much Sanding has begun in the garden.. 'I'm just going outside and may be some time!'

 

 

Eamonn

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Ah Smeg I forgot Rimmer! sorry Ace Rimmer!  One of the classiest shows on TV.. Would you believe I'm re reading the books as we speak! :)

 

Eamonn

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