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 Hello Eamonn,   carpenters glue  the yellow alphatic type both elmers  and titebond is readily available in all DIY stores here in Canada, Have you tried B&Q?  Generic alphatic type glue is also available under other brand names in various hardware stores. I used it all the time when making furniture, For model ship building I actually prefer pva (the white stuff) and achieve instant clamping by interspersing my glue line with an occasional drop of Ca gel type, For example when planking I apply pva along the edge of the plank and a small amount of ca on each bulkhead  just before I finally positioning the plank on each bulkhead.  Just my 2pennorth  ( forgotten the Gaelic for penny)

Enjoy the journey,

 Kip

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Thanks Ollie & Lawrence, It will do no harm to have that Web Address Ollie (I'm sure it would be of help to others on here too, so Post away ;) ) BTW I recommend for anyone to nip over to Ollie's build and take a look at his final planking!!

 

I've been soaking the planks 6 at a time Lawrence and shaping them (Trimming them as I go) prior to Bending with a Plank Bender (A well handy bit of kit) I found that around half an hour soaking was great! they are 1mm planks, were yours thicker for that 'big ol' ' Victory?

The planks are taking the hull shape nicely, few gaps mind you but nothing too serious (not enough to put a dint into my warehouse load of filler :P )

Remember Folks there are still some franchises left for 'Eamonn's Filler Shop'...

 

Thanks Again for Looking In Guys, and for the advice, and thanks too to everyone else who happens by..

 

 

Take Care,

 

Eamonn

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I'm a regular with Cornwall MB Kester, but never thought of their glue range (just had a quick look over there as I'm typing this, and there is lots of Aliphatic glue listed) Brilliant suggestion!!

 

I haven't used CA (would you believe I thought CA meant Contact Adhesive for years!!) on the planking yet Kip, but it seems logical especially to handle awkward places whilst the Wood glue sets, I used it on my Bounty build to hold pieces that were difficult to keep in position with wood glue (I would lightly lick both surfaces to stop the CA from soaking in, my girlfriend saw me do this once and thought it was odd to say the least, some weird timber tasting fetish :P )

 

Bye For Now

 

Eamonn

 

Keep the advice coming folks!

 

Edit: I notice that Cornwall Model Boats also has Titebond listed !

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Am I right in thinking that these Aliphatic Glues are not specifically for model making !

 

Eamonn

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 You are correct. here they are often referred to as carpenters glue and  have a short grab time and when cured an extremely strong joint.

Kip

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Brilliant.. I'll nip out soon to a hardware store and take a looksee around.

 

Eamonn

 

Coming Soon to a Town Near You.. 'Eamonn's Glue & Filler One Stop Shop' .. as seen on MSW !

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Brief New Photo Update:  The hull is closing up nicely, I reckon 1 or 2 more visits should complete it then checking out the gaps & lots of sanding  followed by attaching Keel/Bow & cutting the Rabbet.

 

The photo pointed out to me a slight rise/lift in the 2nd last plank on the bottom section of the photo between 'visible' bulkheads 3 & 4 which has been dealt with.

 

Incidentally, I was unable to pick up any of that glue we were discussing so I shall just have to go online.

 

Thanks for checking in.

 

Eamonn

 

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Thanks Kip, I'll get right onto that (I even have some 6mm wide timber coming this week hopefully which should help with the Garboard, my original is 4mm!)

 

Cheers for the tip and to Ollie & Nigel for the Likes on Kips post (shows ye are all thinking the same way! :P )

 

Take Care Folks

 

Eamonn

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Makes total sense Nigel, work has brought me to a slight halt for a day or two, but I hope to get back to building  either tomorrow or day after (Wed) timber shouldn't be too far away by then (I actually picked it up for the 2nd layer bulwarks, as I didn't wish to use the rather dark stuff that came with the kit for 2nd planking, lower down the hull will be fine but not for the upper Bulwarks)

 

Thanks for all the help and tips guys.

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

 

BTW the glue is winging it's way to me from Delux as of today ! WooHoo :P

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Thanks Lawrence, I totally agree with being able to see the shape materialise.. in fact I was discussing something similar with Kester a few posts back about liking to look at the model and imagine the lines!! seems like there is another member of the ' Boat Hulls Appreciation Society'.. ;)

 

Vikky is looking brilliant by the way, I like the fact that you fixed the lettering even though I imagine it was awkward to do!

 

Take Care Mate

 

Eamonn

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All Righty Then.. The hull is 'closed over' WooHoo!!  and as soon as the glue is dry I'll crack open one of my warehouse loads of filler :P After that comes the sanding and eventual installation of the Keel/Bow pieces (+ Rabbet of course).

I have to wait until my timber shipment arrives before beginning 2nd planking as I want to use the lighter coloured wood I ordered for the first 5 or so rows on the Bulwarks.

 

Thanks for looking in

 

Eamonn

 

Oh! and there is even a Photo.. I really spoil ye folks ;)

 

 

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Hey there Nigel, The aliphatic hasn't shown up yet so I continued along with my usual wood glue, I won't touch it until tomorrow anyhoo as It's way too miserable in my work room (weather is brutal, was down taking photos of the crashing waves earlier) Ballahoo is sitting in the heat of my living room at present to help the glue set.

 

All The Best Nigel

 

Eamonn

 

BTW I'd be happy enough with 'Rubberyness' as a word (but then again my friends say that I'm worse than Joyce for using my own weird words :P )

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Hi Lawrence, yup she will be 2nd planked, this won't happen until my new batch of timber arrives (next day or so hopefully) as I want to plank the Bulwark area (top-sides) in a lighter wood than the Walnut supplied as this area won't be painted.  So some filling and sanding are in my immediate future.. not as tough I feel as the 200 or so hammocks you are in the process of creating :P

 

Thanks for stopping by.

 

Eamonn

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Hot off the Camera !

 

Copious quantities of filler (just kiddin) and Phase 1 of Much Sanding later.. and we appear to have a decent hull shape! WooHoo :P

 

Next Up:  Phase 2 of Much Sanding.

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

 

BTW I trimmed off the 1st planking overhangs at the stern too, though it needs to be addressed further.  And incidentally all you Ballyahoo'ers out there the issue with the 2nd Bulkhead not being 'low' enough doesn't seem to be a problem (I only beefed it up a little early on, but if you examine Plan No 1, you will see that 'issue' is there too! the Garboard strake and the next plank take care of this in that they almost go vertical in this area, just like the 'Dead Drop' at the stern)

 

Anyhoo.. Photo Time.. ;)

 

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Hi Kester, filler reserves are borderline.. I'm down to about a mere 20 year supply, so it's touch and go whether there will be enough for 3 builds.. :P  

 

I'd go along with the Chinese origin of Rubberyness, am sure I've chewed plenty of things from the menu that would define it! Squid in Black Bean Sauce comes to mind ;)

 

Phase 2 of Much Sanding has begun in the garden.. 'I'm just going outside and may be some time!'

 

 

Eamonn

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Ah Smeg I forgot Rimmer! sorry Ace Rimmer!  One of the classiest shows on TV.. Would you believe I'm re reading the books as we speak! :)

 

Eamonn

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Latest Gossip from ENN  (Eamonn News Network )...  Much Sanding Phase 2 is complete with rather satisfying results ( a Very Very smooth hull form) just a smidge of filler required at the stern (where the upward sweep of a plank meets the lower part of the transom) once that hardens I'm onto Mild Sanding Phase 1, there may not even be a Phase 2 here... Which will be a bit of a Result!!

I filled out a section of the Bulwarks up for'ard to allow the Bow Piece to fit in place (you may recall from a while back the problem I had encountered where the 2 Bulwarks meet at the bow, ie no or too small a gap for the Bowsprit & the Bow Piece) hopefully you can see it in the photos.

I also made up the Stand, which is straightforward and not as Gawd Awful looking as I feared (I'm toying with how I will present the boat when finished, she may end up on Blocks representing a slipway, with the angle matching the angle of the keel to keep the deck level! but that is a bit away yet ^_^ )

 

Thanks For Checking In Folks

 

Eamonn

 

BTW The Period Ship Handbook pt 2 arrived this morning, WOW they are going to be a brilliant resource, thanks for the recommendation Nigel & Kester, and Dee Dee for the advice on where to get them!! Abebooks are Deadly, and I'd advise all to take a looksee for those hard to find books  (by the way 'Deadly' is an Irishism for Pretty Darn Good! :P )

 

Photo Time....

 

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 Hello Eamonn, I would have checked and responded to your log earlier but have spent the last few days contending with problems, including a major flood in my workshop. I share the space with a 40 gallon hot water tank.It decided to spring a leak and empty itself all over the floor an for abot 7 hours.  Fortunately  neither Sultana or Old Blue were damaged. Good work, you are moving right along. I have mounted my Sultana on a slipway. I like the look and can recommend it. I am a great fan of abe books and over the years have purchased many books through the. I am a self confessed bookaholic. Sometimes set out to a single book through abe but sniff around and buy two or more on the pretext that I am saving money on postage.

 Incidentally many people do not know that abebooks.com was created by a couple of Vancouver Isanders living in Victoria.

Have fun, Kip

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Hey Kip, thanks for stopping by, am sorry to hear of your flood problems, that can't be nice on top of what I'm sure are rather cold conditions outside!

I must pop over to your Sultana and take a look at your slipway (glad to hear she missed the rising water!!) Do you have a Build Log for Bluenose? I'll put Bluenose into a Search shortly and see if I can find her!

 

I had never heard of Abebooks until Dee_Dee mentioned it, as soon as I put some more money into the bank kitty I'll be examining their site in detail as I'm a bit of a book-aholic myself (when I find books I really like I find myself re reading them again & again over the years, a Kindle is amongst my best buys in fact)

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

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I like the shape of the hull.. , GOOD TO SEE THE PROFILE :)

I noticed glue doesn't stick as well to filler when second planking so the less the better, (sorry if i'm compromising your business) :P Can't beat that wood to wood bond :D  Ollie

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Eamonn,

 

Agreed. Very good job on your first planking, and a good basis for the outer layer. As the pictures show, I can see the signs of one very good model here. They also remind one that the 'timber head removal time' draws ever closer! :)

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