*Hans* Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share #31 Posted March 25, 2014 And slowly but surely the stern is getting more and more finished... As said - I do not often post - because modelbuilding is - also to me - a slow proces Farbror Fartyg, Elmer Cornish, NAZGÛL and 9 others 12 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted March 26, 2014 Share #32 Posted March 26, 2014 Beautiful work, Hans. I have never been to Lelystad (sp?) but know the story about the Batavia. Sad, but very interesting. In one of your pictures (http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/5920-batavia-by-hans/?p=170753) you showed the hatches being partly covered with the 'tarp'. I really like that view because we do not see this kind of arrangement in modeling too much. We all tend to leave off the important tarp and show the grating. In reality what you show is much better.Dank u well en nog veel geniet en geluk met uw verder gebouw van de Batavia. *Hans* 1 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted March 26, 2014 Share #33 Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) I have seen the stern section in the Freemantle museum and been aboard the replica when she was in Sydney at the Australian Maritime Museum. There is a book called Islands of Angry Ghosts that tells the gruesome story of the Batavia as well as the story of discovering and recovering the artifacts. It is a chilling read. This build is quite interesting and I love the stern you have made. Steve Edited March 26, 2014 by Bedford *Hans* 1 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share #34 Posted March 26, 2014 Thank you! And in fact it is true - most of the time on a model you want to show the hatches, because these are nice and fine detailed parts of the model. In real however they were mostly covered because of the water which could pour in. I discussed this with some other modellers in the Netherlands; to think about the dampy air of over 300 people living on such a small area. Hatches had to be covered to prevend water pouring in, but when it was nice weather they where often opened to provide the inside with some fresh air. This made me decide to make closed hatches and one open. Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 26, 2014 Share #35 Posted March 26, 2014 Thank you! And indeed, you can regocnize (if you know the ship) the Batavia Is there a way to see the whole documentary? As far as I do understand the Swedish language it was broadcasted january this year - correct? Sorry for my late reply. It's called Vasa 1628: Människorna, skeppet, tiden and should be easy to find on the web. The DVD is in three parts: 1: Building and sinking. 2: The trial, what happened to the people and then the salvage and reconstruction. 3: How they did the film and some facts and stories about the time by the writer and director. Subtitles in english and german I think. /Matti *Hans* 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiel Posted March 26, 2014 Share #36 Posted March 26, 2014 well slowly?? :mellow: I think you're making a very decent pass here. Nice work, Michiel *Hans* 1 Quote Finished models: Botter, President Current: Prins Willem by the book of Ketting, HMS Beagle - OcCre restauration of a Statenjacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiel Posted March 26, 2014 Share #37 Posted March 26, 2014 By the way, what is your scale? I can't find it maybe you can even put it in the title.. Quote Finished models: Botter, President Current: Prins Willem by the book of Ketting, HMS Beagle - OcCre restauration of a Statenjacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted March 26, 2014 Share #38 Posted March 26, 2014 Hans, a lovely and good looking model you are building fine carving Details Nils *Hans* 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share #39 Posted March 26, 2014 Thanks again to you all Dimensions of the original ship: - Length overall: 57 meters (ca. 187 ft) - Width: 10,5 meters (ca. 34ft) - depth under water: 5,1 meters (ca. 17 ft) - Total hight from keel: 55 meters (ca. 180 ft) The drawings I have are in 1:50 scale - but this gives a model which is over 1 meter length - a bit to much for our house, so I re-scaled the drawings to 70% which gives an approx scale of 1:70 - 1:72. This means the model will be around 80 cm length - to me nice and handy. Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share #40 Posted March 26, 2014 It's called Vasa 1628: Människorna, skeppet, tiden and should be easy to find on the web. Matti - found it - thank you! NAZGÛL 1 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 26, 2014 Share #41 Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) No problem. Great job on your model, I really like Batavia. /Matti Edited March 26, 2014 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share #42 Posted March 30, 2014 On the front of the Batavia are some smaller statues (in fact only the heads) As I don't know which people these all are I just thougt I'd work out some striking figures who'd fit quitte good in those days. Only the most right one is something diffirent - this one should look a little be like me Sjors, mtaylor, firdajan and 9 others 12 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted April 2, 2014 Author Share #43 Posted April 2, 2014 The lower part of the stern - in Dutch "het holle wulf" - (I couldn't find how this part is called in English) of 17th century ships was decorated with a nice painting - f.i. a heroic sea-battle which was won, or a safe return from a long journy abroad. On the Lelystad Batavia it is a safe return of three ships close to a sandy coast: I tried to copy this painting on my model, but this was quitte difficult. It has become a sort of impressionistic picture. Unfortunately the impressionism was not knowm at that time... mtaylor, firdajan, Mirabell61 and 11 others 14 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted April 3, 2014 Share #44 Posted April 3, 2014 Hi Hans, great progress on your model. It just so happens that unfortunate circumstance brings me to Perth (friend's funeral). While I was here, I decided to visit the Batavia museum yesterday. I took MANY MANY pictures, which I will upload when I get back home to Melbourne later tonight. I am sure you will find these interesting. Re: the painting in your stern galley, may I suggest that it may be easier to print out the design on a colour inkjet printer and attaching the design to the stern of your ship? Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share #45 Posted April 3, 2014 Keith, sorry to hear about your friend. I would be very pleased to see your pictures (and I hope you also made some pictures of the model in the Batavia-museum) Regarding printing the painting - this is of course a good and nice solution to get a 1 to 1 copy of the original ship. But the rest of my model isn't a 1 to 1 copy neither so I figured out to do the painting myself. And to be honest: I liked doing the painting (with a two-haired brush) and giving the ship a personal touch. mobbsie and Piet 2 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted April 3, 2014 Share #46 Posted April 3, 2014 Regarding printing the painting - this is of course a good and nice solution to get a 1 to 1 copy of the original ship. But the rest of my model isn't a 1 to 1 copy neither so I figured out to do the painting myself. And to be honest: I liked doing the painting (with a two-haired brush) and giving the ship a personal touch. I agree Hans. The painting looks fine and as far as 'impressionism' is concerned, it looks like the original has that also when you look at the waves for example. Is it possible that the heads on the bowsprit were some of the owners of the Oost India Company? They do look a bit 'modern' though. Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share #47 Posted April 3, 2014 Jay, No - I just thought I'd make some nice looking figures - did it all by heart. Maybe the're a bit to modern, but again, that's the personal touch... Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted April 3, 2014 Share #48 Posted April 3, 2014 Hans, what you called "het holle wulf" is probably the 'counter' in English. Yours is concave, but most others are convex. What is the origin for the word 'wulf'? Would this translate to 'the hollow . . . . .'? Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share #49 Posted April 4, 2014 Maybe the following information is a bit "comic" due to my not 100% knowledge of english. "Wulf" is probably a mumbled (degenerated) version (you know - sailors, no teeth anymore, smoking their pipe and chewing tobacco..) of the Dutch word "gewelf" A "gewelf" is a vault or an overhanging part of a roof. Wulf is the lower part of the stern, the part that hangs over de water. The Dutch VOC-retour ships often had a convex and a concave part - het holle wulf (concave) and het bolle wulf (convex). The convex part is the part with the VOC emblem on it. flying_dutchman2 and Piet 2 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted April 4, 2014 Share #50 Posted April 4, 2014 Hi Hans, I have uploaded my pictures into this thread: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/5315-batavia-shipwreck-photos/ *Hans* 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share #51 Posted April 4, 2014 Keith, Nice pictures, though it is clear that there is hardly anything to see on which you can say: "hey, they done this the same on the new Batavia. In fact - the replica was build as a project for young unemployd people to get some practice and experience and make it easier to find a job. The shipbuilder of the Bataviawharf at that time was Willem Vos, who saw it as a nice opportunity to help people and to bring back alive the old Dutch shipbuilding experience which was very well known in a great part of the world. They decided to build a VOC-retour ship (which means it was build to sail to the far east with buildingmaterials, people, money, silver and jewelry, and then return to Holland which spices - again and again). The striking terrorstory of the Batavia made Willem Vos decide to name the ship Batavia. It is almost completely unknown how the original Batavia did look - apart from the original pieces at Fremantle, and the new Batavia is more an old-tradition build ship with the name Batavia (I hope this doesn't dissapoint you....) Maybe you know the Bataviawharf started years ago with a new project - De Zeven Provinciën - which was the Flag-ship of Michiel de Ruyter. Unfortunately, due to neccessary savings the wharf has recently stopped this project. They where about to buy some timber in Denmark - 45 Oak logs - which had to cost ca. 2 million euro's - ca. 2,6 million US-dollar - or 45.000 euro per log). This was a "bit" above budget (the wharf is making a little profit again since many years) and the decision was made to stop the Zeven Provinciën project. They are now focussing on smaller projects, but still in the style and thought of the 17th century Dutch craftmanship. Piet, Modeler12 and flying_dutchman2 3 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted April 6, 2014 Share #52 Posted April 6, 2014 I like your painting! For me the replica Batavia painting looks to airbrushed and perfect. I'm sorry to hear about the Zeven Provinciën project! I was really happy they where doing it. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share #53 Posted April 6, 2014 Matti, you never know if this will change again. They're not going to remove the work so far done, but it's just the amount of money the wharf has which is to be spent in another way. (Imagine - for just one piece of oak to pay 45.000 euros - that is more than a year wages for many people!) Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 6, 2014 Share #54 Posted April 6, 2014 Maybe you know the Bataviawharf started years ago with a new project - De Zeven Provinciën - which was the Flag-ship of Michiel de Ruyter. Unfortunately, due to neccessary savings the wharf has recently stopped this project. They where about to buy some timber in Denmark - 45 Oak logs - which had to cost ca. 2 million euro's - ca. 2,6 million US-dollar - or 45.000 euro per log). This was a "bit" above budget (the wharf is making a little profit again since many years) and the decision was made to stop the Zeven Provinciën project. They are now focussing on smaller projects, but still in the style and thought of the 17th century Dutch craftmanship. The first replica burned up and now they stopped building the 2nd replica. Bummer, but that is a lot of money for a couple of logs. Build the ships of Abel Tasman, small project. Or the ship from Hendrick Hamel used to explore SE Asia which is the 'De Sperwer' (the Sparrowhawk) (or is that one built already). Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share #55 Posted April 6, 2014 I just did check the website of the Bataviawharf (http://www.bataviawerf.nl/who-are-we.html) but they don't mention anything about stopping (which was pronounced 14th of february this year). And maybe I have to correct myself - the whole ship De zeven Provinciën was about to cost 2 million... Still - there is lack of money. flying_dutchman2 1 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted April 7, 2014 Share #56 Posted April 7, 2014 That's not much really when you consider the James Craig cost $20 million to restore. It is all relative though. Steve Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share #57 Posted April 7, 2014 Yeah. Either 2 or 20 million - I both don't have it... Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted April 8, 2014 Share #58 Posted April 8, 2014 And he slips in a semi nautical reference, "You ain't Robinson Crusoe" Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted April 13, 2014 Author Share #59 Posted April 13, 2014 Last weeks I have been busy on the foremast and the mainmast - started with the standing rigging of both. For the foremast this was no trouble, but starting with the rigging of the mainmast I realised I first had to make the mermen on the rail on both sides. Standing rigging on the foremast Mermen on the rail Piet, mtaylor, Elmer Cornish and 2 others 5 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBlakeny Posted April 14, 2014 Share #60 Posted April 14, 2014 Wow, beautfiul. Those dutch ships really were work of arts. Just as your model is... Nice work Hans *Hans* 1 Quote Chris Current builds : On hold : IJN Yamato by DeAgostini - 1/250 Completed builds : Bermuda boat Corsair (scratch) President by Sergal - 1/60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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