JanV Posted June 15, 2014 Share #151 Posted June 15, 2014 Now I know were I should go for the sails for my Vasa *Hans* 1 Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share #152 Posted June 15, 2014 Jan, No sails in the Corel kit? Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanV Posted June 15, 2014 Share #153 Posted June 15, 2014 No so I will need to make them myself. I think I shall ask my mother in law again like with my Statenjacht. I intend to use the same materials as I sent to you. Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share #154 Posted June 17, 2014 Before going on with the ratlines, my son (future owner of the ship) is not sure if he wants the sails fully out or lowered. So I mounted one of the sails and tried both: and lowered: Because of the fact the sails are done with diluted glue they are a bit too stiff for this... tarbrush, Elmer Cornish, Bindy and 4 others 7 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiel Posted June 17, 2014 Share #155 Posted June 17, 2014 nice, did you also considder the packed version of the sails? Quote Finished models: Botter, President Current: Prins Willem by the book of Ketting, HMS Beagle - OcCre restauration of a Statenjacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Posted June 25, 2014 Share #156 Posted June 25, 2014 Your work is so accurate and clean. Very good and admirable! Well done. *Hans* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted June 25, 2014 Share #157 Posted June 25, 2014 Looking great Hans! /Matti *Hans* 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share #158 Posted July 13, 2014 It has been quiet for a while on my Batavia-wharf - simply because I was busy with a rather dull job - the ratlines. This is finished now, so I can move on with the sails. Then some more small stuff to do, and the Batavia is almost finished. Sjors, mtaylor, Elmer Cornish and 1 other 4 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted July 13, 2014 Share #159 Posted July 13, 2014 Very nice job on the ratlines Hans ! Don't forget the yards on the masts ..... You think you are almost finished but nope ...... Keep up the good work Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share #160 Posted July 15, 2014 Sjors (and others), Busy on the sails now, yards etc. Still is some work, yes. Sails: Sjors, Piet, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share #161 Posted July 24, 2014 One step a time will build a ship in a year. Rigging of the spritsails slowly gets some shape - although I do have some difficulties in finding out where which line has to go. The plans of the Batavia aren't always very clear in this. But with the help of many books and other modellers pictures I will manage. F.i. the red marked lines in the image - I am puzzling how they go, and where they are belayed. Elmer Cornish, Piet, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 24, 2014 Share #162 Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) ON the yard, there should be an end of rope with a single block. After 'returning to the shrould, the rrope is belayed on the gallion (or sometimes shown: a block on the bowsprit, and then on the railing of the forecatle. I'll check my pic;s of Batavia. Unfortunatedly, I don't have pics that show where exactly the braces are belayed in the gallion... Jan Edited July 24, 2014 by amateur Piet, mtaylor and Elmer Cornish 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share #163 Posted July 25, 2014 Jan, Yesterday I managed to find out how these lines are belayed, From the forestay they run back to a block on the bowsprit, and from there to the pins on the gallion. And so I did Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 25, 2014 Share #164 Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) No, I did some picture-searching in my luch-break, and Batavia has the braces belayed inside the gallion, on both sides (at least on th epic I use as my screensaver, klick for full screen, it's a really large picture) Jan Edited July 25, 2014 by amateur WackoWolf, Piet, Elmer Cornish and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share #165 Posted July 25, 2014 Nice picture Jan! And I was planning to make some extra pins the way it can be seen on this picture. Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 25, 2014 Share #166 Posted July 25, 2014 Found it on the internet a couple of years ago. Has been my desktop-background ever since. The pic was taken one of the times Batavia was out on the Markermeer to do some sail-trials. Hence the somewhat strange sailsettings (Mains set without the topsails, normal practice was the other way round) Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share #167 Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Man surely learns some new English words. I have fitted the first yard on the foremast, and had to make a parral for this. I therefore have bought me some 3 mm black beads - carved some small ribs and rigged the whole thing together around the mast. Mind you, I didn't make the parral first - I started with a line around the yard - then through beats and upper holes of the ribs around the mast - then around the yard and back through beads and ribs - lower holes. Again around the mast - around the yard - through a ring in the yard and back through the parral, adding the last beads. Then through another ring on the yard towards a block, and then fitted on the deck. pretty job for your eyes Hopefully this image shows what I tried to describe: Edited August 14, 2014 by *Hans* flying_dutchman2, WackoWolf, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 29, 2014 Share #168 Posted August 29, 2014 :)Hans;The Batavia is coming along very beautiful. You are doing an excellent job on this ship and I have been following closely on your built. I love the lines of this ship as well as the colors.What book/article is the ezelhoofd and rakketalie from? The "rakklootjes", (bottom right)...... . Interesting name LOL.Marc Sjors 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpencerC Posted August 29, 2014 Share #169 Posted August 29, 2014 Beautiful work, hans *Hans* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share #170 Posted August 29, 2014 Thanks guys! Marc, I've send you a PM on this. Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share #171 Posted August 30, 2014 Update! Two sails of the foremast are in place. I want to make her look like she's just about to anchor. This means the sails are not complete up (or down?), but halfway. The rigging and the decks are better visible in this way. Vivian Galad, flying_dutchman2, NAZGÛL and 5 others 8 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 30, 2014 Share #172 Posted August 30, 2014 That's what they called furled sails Hans ( I have learned English, you see that ?) Sjors flying_dutchman2 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share #173 Posted August 30, 2014 Never knew that Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Posted September 5, 2014 Share #174 Posted September 5, 2014 Hello Hans! I just found your log and have to say I am sorry I missed the beginning and being able to follow up to this point, but so happy to catch up! I just bought the book about the Batavia by Peter Fitzimmons and have been very interested in this ship but had no idea she was so good looking too. Your skills really do her justice though and I can't wait to see the final steps as you bring her to life again. *Hans* 1 Quote Completed Build: Bregante Il Leudo Merchant Launch - Mamoli - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share #175 Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Hello you Royal Highness Bindy! :im Not Worthy: (or should we call you Cleopatra?) Thank you for your kind words! It's been a pleasure that you could find some time to visit my humble shipyard here in the Netherlands, thank you, thank you! (Now I have to stand up again because this hurts my back and my knees). As you may have read the replica of the Batavia which is in Lelystad was made as a project for unemployed to see if they could bring back alive the craftmanship of the Dutch of the 17th century. I am trying to make the scalemodel as close as possible to this replica - which is not always possible. In fact she is a "normal" 17th century retourschip (which ment sailing to and from the Netherlands - Indonesian Archipel) and was named Batavia because of the horrorstory that happened after the shipwrecking of the original Batavia. My model is almost finished, and I have some plans in mind to build two other 17th century ships: The Duyfken - afgter the replica in Australia (with thanks to Janos for the plans) and the "Dordrecht" which was the sistership of the Batavia. I do live in Dordrecht in NL - therefore Edited September 5, 2014 by *Hans* Piet and Bindy 2 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share #176 Posted September 5, 2014 Hello Hans! I just found your log and have to say I am sorry I missed the beginning and being able to follow up to this point, but so happy to catch up! I just bought the book about the Batavia by Peter Fitzimmons and have been very interested in this ship but had no idea she was so good looking too. Your skills really do her justice though and I can't wait to see the final steps as you bring her to life again. I have a book about the Batavia voyage written by Mike Dash. It's to my opinion a quite "romantic" version of the journey and its horrors. Bindy 1 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelpsutton2 Posted September 5, 2014 Share #177 Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) A great model and your build log has provided the chance to see some great conversation on Dutch practice which I know so little about. Edited September 5, 2014 by michaelpsutton2 *Hans* 1 Quote Drown you may, but go you must and your reward shall be a man's pay or a hero's grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted September 5, 2014 Share #178 Posted September 5, 2014 A great model and your build log has provided the chance to see some great conversation on Dutch practice which I know so little about. I definitely have to agree! What a beautiful ship you've got there, Well done. Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Hans* Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share #179 Posted September 5, 2014 Thank you, thank you! The 17th century ships where very rich decorated, and this was rather a challenge for me too. Thanks to the modelling clay I could make some nice "carvings"which would otherwise have been a (maybe to) difficult part for me. The ship is almost finished - two masts to go and some small stuff around her. Then a nice standard and in the end the flags to decorate her. I will try to post a few more detailled pictures within the next time. Omega1234 1 Quote Hans Owner of Kolderstok Models - 17th century Dutch ships. Please visit www.kolderstok.com for an overview of the model kits available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted September 5, 2014 Share #180 Posted September 5, 2014 Hans, I see that you wanna build de Duyfken. For you and all the others who want to see how the Duyfken looks like ,here are 2 pictures (I hope you don't mind that I posted them ) Sjors NAZGÛL, Piet, *Hans* and 4 others 7 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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