hamilton Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1 Posted March 14, 2014 Hi there: While cruising around on the Cornwall Model Boats site today, I noticed that they've added an OcCre product I'd not seen before - a Bounty with the starboard planking cut away. I recall seeing such a model offered by Artesania Latina (they had one in a local model shop a few years ago). Two questions: 1. Can anyone confirm if the OcCre kit is the same as the AL one? Since they're both Spanish manufacturers, I thought perhaps that OcCre may have purchased or licensed the design from AL..... 2. Has anyone built either the AL or OcCre versions? If so - how would you rate the kit - quality of parts, primarily as well as general comparison with other Bountys available - Mamoli, Caldercraft, Amati in particular.... Thanks in advance! hamilton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted March 14, 2014 Share #2 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Hello Hamilton. As far as I can see in the photos, looks like the OcCre kit is exactly the same as the A Latina. I built the Latina version. I's a nice kit, with few mistakes and in general I have a good impression of the kit. Remains to see if the OcCre kit, being a (probably) newer version has some improvements over the Latina one. A Latina kit is single planked.This may pose a bit of difficulty for a beginner. I have no means to compare it with other versions. Edited March 14, 2014 by Ulises Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 14, 2014 Share #3 Posted March 14, 2014 They might be the same kit or maybe not. However, Occre has almost all of the AL designers as the company was formed with the owner of AL decided to pursue other interests. I'm not sure who's running AL now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intasiabox Posted March 14, 2014 Share #4 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) The owner of OcCre worked for AL for 20 some odd years designing their kits so it is probably almost identical. Looks like there is already a similar answer posted, I'm a slow typer. Edited March 14, 2014 by intarsiabox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted March 14, 2014 Thanks all for the responses! Very prompt and helpful as usual. Ulises - do you have photos of your AL build - or a build log (I'll search for one....)? Thanks again hamilton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted March 14, 2014 Share #6 Posted March 14, 2014 Hello Hamilton. The build log was lost, but here are some photos. For some reason I can't find photos of the finished model. Will try to post them later. WackoWolf, md1400cs, augie and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted March 14, 2014 These photos are great Ulises - thanks a lot! I'll have to give it some thought - though clearly it can be build up into a nice model..... hamilton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted March 14, 2014 Share #8 Posted March 14, 2014 Hello there, I am actually building the OcCre Bounty at the moment and have a build log in progress. No sure how to a link but I listed it as OcCre Bounty by Mike Dowling. Hope this helps. hamilton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted March 14, 2014 Share #9 Posted March 14, 2014 If I was going to buy/build this kit again, I would go for the OcCre version. OcCre was founded by ex-members of Artesania Latina, who wanted to make better kits. That has to say something about them. So OcCre (Ocio Creativo) is a newer company formed by experienced kit designers. I own their Santísima Trinidad and it looks a very good kit with excellent drawing and instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted March 14, 2014 Share #10 Posted March 14, 2014 I should have said that I have done several OcCre kits, non boat, and found their products pretty good. I did complete their Mississippi paddle steamer which was great and turned out to be a really impessive model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted March 14, 2014 Share #11 Posted March 14, 2014 Mike. I just find it strange that OcCre shows the scale of their kit at 1/45, while the A Latina is 1/48. OcCre's specifications say their kit measures 915 mm, while Latina says 38.6 inches which is 980.44 mm. So at 1/45 OcCre's should be larger. There are some discrepancies somewhere. peterbrowne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted March 14, 2014 Share #12 Posted March 14, 2014 Hi again, my kit is certainly quite large and actually very different in construction from Ulises Victoria kit. Mine, unfortunately for me with the planking skills of a turkey (!!!) is double planked as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted March 18, 2014 Thanks for the follow up Ulises and Mike - Mike I'll check for your build log....Ulises - that's very weird about the scale......I'm sure there's a history there we may never know.... hamilton Ulises Victoria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted March 18, 2014 Share #14 Posted March 18, 2014 Interesting Idea. Found this link http://victoryshipmodels.com/ship-model-bounty-wooden-static-kit-artesania-latina-mutiny-ship.html Regards, Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainscott Posted March 18, 2014 Share #15 Posted March 18, 2014 I found it on their site, looks like a nice kit. occreusecom/bounty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted March 18, 2014 Share #16 Posted March 18, 2014 Hi again, my kit is certainly quite large and actually very different in construction from Ulises Victoria kit. Mine, unfortunately for me with the planking skills of a turkey (!!!) is double planked as well. Mike. excuse me, I'm curious. Where do you see the construction of your kit is very different from mine? Every step I've seen in your build so far looks exactly as in mine. In model ship building, 1/48 is considered a large scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted March 18, 2014 Share #17 Posted March 18, 2014 Hi there, looking at your pictures I notice a number of differences. Yours has far more formers at the stern and bow ends than mine, the central portion of the internal hull is planked, I can't see a wheelhouse on yours etc. I know the differences are minor. Didn't you say yours was single planked as well? In case anyone was looking I did give the title to my build out wrong. It should have been Bounty by Mike Dowling Don't know if that made it difficult to find if so apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted March 19, 2014 The AL kit looks nice judging from the photos - I haven't seen extensive photos of the OcCre one outside of Mike's build log......I'll have to do a bit more research.... hamilton Mike Dowling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted March 28, 2014 Share #19 Posted March 28, 2014 The more I look at the AL kit the more differences I see. Unfortunately (because I am building the OcCRe version) the AL kit is far more detailed, below decks anyway. I know the single planking is a hazard for some (particularly me) because you have to get it right first time. If I had realised there was a choice I would have gone for the AL. Too late now I have to do the best I can with what I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share #20 Posted March 28, 2014 Looking at your build log I'd say you're doing a great job with the OcCre kit despite the differences hamilton Mike Dowling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted April 24, 2014 Share #21 Posted April 24, 2014 Thank you for that. I would revise my last post as, to be honest, I wouldn't buy a thing from AL. I have had serious difficulties with them over parts not supplied in a sealed box kit. A friend of mine has also had big problems with his model. If you can get over the dreadful instructions I would go for the OcCre kit and now, I am glad I did! hamilton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert_Sailor Posted April 30, 2014 Share #22 Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) Here's my AL Cutaway Bounty.. about a year in the making.... It's not small...and building the interior was lots of fun....I used the kits supplied parts plus some scale furniture from a doll house store for the Blyhe's dining room Edited April 30, 2014 by Desert_Sailor WackoWolf, hamilton, augie and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted April 30, 2014 Share #23 Posted April 30, 2014 Brilliant model, well done Sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Vadas Posted April 30, 2014 Share #24 Posted April 30, 2014 And HERE'S my contribution to this topic - my AL cutaway Bounty. Quite a good kit for the price, and mine was "built in Spain" not Asia so it didn't have all the junk cast pieces of more recent AL kits. I just find it strange that OcCre shows the scale of their kit at 1/45, while the A Latina is 1/48. OcCre's specifications say their kit measures 915 mm, while Latina says 38.6 inches which is 980.44 mm. So at 1/45 OcCre's should be larger. There are some discrepancies somewhere. I'm guessing that AL took the overall measurement including the Bowsprit, and OcCre used the hull measurement? Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifthace Posted April 30, 2014 Share #25 Posted April 30, 2014 They definately aren't the same kit, I can answer that with 100% certainty. There are quite visible differences. AL has two launches for example, Oc only has one. Oc has a more square sail right above the launches, (sorry I don't know the term), where as AL's sails are triangular. AL's version: http://www.artesanialatina.net/articulo.aspx?ref=22810&des=bounty-99-con-velas-cosidas OcCre's version: http://www.occre.com/model-ship/frigate-bounty.html Both from their own webpages. Danny thanks for the answer about the oddities with scale/dimensions, I was wondering why the numbers seemed back to front, but that makes sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted April 30, 2014 Share #26 Posted April 30, 2014 You are quite right Dom. The one thing they have in common is the name!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted April 30, 2014 Share #27 Posted April 30, 2014 Dan, if you don't mind my asking, were did you get the figures for your model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Vadas Posted May 1, 2014 Share #28 Posted May 1, 2014 Dan, if you don't mind my asking, were did you get the figures for your model? I'm glad you asked Mike . They are 1:48 scale Tamiya WWII German Tank Crew, "slightly" modified : Danny fifthace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dowling Posted May 1, 2014 Share #29 Posted May 1, 2014 Thanks Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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