Ulises Victoria Posted May 26, 2014 Share #1 Posted May 26, 2014 This guy is planking vertically, while the method I am used to is horizontally, meaning you lay each plank all the way from bow to stern. What are your comments on this matter? What would problems arise with this "vertical" method? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruginmi Posted May 26, 2014 Share #2 Posted May 26, 2014 I guess the question is does the builder have a plan about how the planks will lay across the whole hull. It looks like they are getting some close line up of the plank ends which isn't optimal. I would guess they are doing single planking (double planking it wouldn't matter at all) and are really focused on the joinery at the bow and stern. It could turn out fine, my gut just says it would be harder making sure everything lines up from bow to stern. I don't think I will be going in this direction. Mark mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted May 26, 2014 Share #3 Posted May 26, 2014 May be a closer reflection of actual practice. The ends were the challenge - the mid-body was more or less a straight run. Take each strake as he has done and extend to fill the rest. mtaylor, mtdoramike and augie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted May 26, 2014 Share #4 Posted May 26, 2014 I can understand how this might work out fine. There really is not much of a relationship between what's happening at the bow vs. the stern. As Wayne says, this could be how it was actually done. Glad you brought it up as it gives us something to consider. For me, I couldn't stand the suspense of waiting to see how it's going to work out. I'll continue with the more traditional method of laying belts. trippwj, mtaylor, dgbot and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted May 26, 2014 Share #5 Posted May 26, 2014 Looking at the pics I can't help but think that is the finished product.I suspect the other side is fully planked and this side is to be left open to show the frames.This does follow actual construction process on the real thing but can't help think it is frought with problems on a model even with a planking expansion drawing. Kind Regards Nigel pete48, augie, WackoWolf and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted May 26, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted May 26, 2014 Nigel may be right. That is a definitive possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted May 26, 2014 Share #7 Posted May 26, 2014 Looking at the workmanship of the rest of the boat, I'd say this builder knows exactly what he is doing. Bob mtdoramike, ulrich and pete48 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintrow Posted May 26, 2014 Share #8 Posted May 26, 2014 Ulises Could you give the source of the photos ?? I (and maybe others) would like to see more of the build. thanks Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete48 Posted May 26, 2014 Share #9 Posted May 26, 2014 Looking at the workmanship of the rest of the boat, I'd say this builder knows exactly what he is doing. Bob I would have to agree with Cap'n'Bob, as well as Nigel. Best Regards, Pete WackoWolf, mtdoramike, Mirabell61 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted May 26, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted May 26, 2014 (edited) Ulises Could you give the source of the photos ?? I (and maybe others) would like to see more of the build. thanks Tom Its from a PDF file of a magazine from a Ship Modeling Club in Spain. Obviously in Spanish. Too large to post here. (19mb) If you want I can try to zip it and send by email. Edited May 26, 2014 by Ulises Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted May 27, 2014 Share #11 Posted May 27, 2014 First thing that came to my mind is as Nigel and others have posted. Further, some adjacent planks end at the same spot. I don't believe there would ever be two adjacent strakes with butts on the same frame, so this reinforces the idea that this is the builders way of showing off his framing. Allan NMBROOK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted May 27, 2014 Share #12 Posted May 27, 2014 I would have to agree with Cap'n'Bob, as well as Nigel. Best Regards, Pete I`m with Bob, Nigel and Pete That model is very interesting in look it is expressing his /her Feelings about the planking Job in a very Special way... Nils NMBROOK and pete48 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 28, 2014 Share #13 Posted May 28, 2014 Sorry, folks, but I respectfully beg to differ. The planking runs at the bow don't look right to my eye. The garboard strake runs too far up the bow, causing crowding further up the bow (if it were the right way up!). See my sketch for what I think would be closer to the way it was done. Others have already commented on the plank butt scheme, which seems random to me. However, ultimately the result has to please the builder. NMBROOK, dvm27 and michael mott 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted May 28, 2014 Share #14 Posted May 28, 2014 Accidentally found a photo of Oliver Cromwell model (unfinished), planked in same style: Looks interesting actually! pete48, augie, Mirabell61 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompey2 Posted May 28, 2014 Share #15 Posted May 28, 2014 Certainly done to show the framing, and by comparison the planking is a lot cleaner in termination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanasis Posted May 29, 2014 Share #16 Posted May 29, 2014 Hi. Search for REVISTA 01 AMNCAT-SOTAVENTO Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted May 29, 2014 Share #17 Posted May 29, 2014 Accidentally found a photo of Oliver Cromwell model (unfinished), planked in same style: 01110081.jpg 01110089.jpg Looks interesting actually! Thanks for sharing the pics Mike, a very fine and interesting looking model Nils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted May 31, 2014 Share #18 Posted May 31, 2014 The entire journal is a good read (even if you can't read Spanish). There is a great article on a boat made by a five year old with assistance from adults. the squid recipe looks tasty too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted May 31, 2014 Share #19 Posted May 31, 2014 I am in total agreement Druxey,had this been a planking job in the process,serious issues would be encountered filling the middle in.Also because the frames have not been faired properly if at all. Kind Regards Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted June 11, 2014 Share #20 Posted June 11, 2014 For some mysterious reason, this is easier to appreciate if the image is turned upside down. I would even bet which part was done last... Mirabell61, michael mott, Trussben and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted June 11, 2014 Share #21 Posted June 11, 2014 I guess you could call that an Admiralty style plank method then. I would think that for anyone to do this, as far as fully planking a hull goes, if your not cutting your own planks, there could be quite a problem with gaps. the oldest method that I know of, is planking from the garboard up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted June 13, 2014 Share #22 Posted June 13, 2014 In full-scale practice one would finish one strake (usually) from bow to stern, alternating port and starboard. Otherwise, it would very difficult to maintain symmetry. Where one started with the planking is a question of time in history and type of vessel. Typically, the garboard strakes were laid first. Then often wales very fitted and the rest filled up. The reason for this sequence is that it defines and fixes the shape (and the components) of the vessel at an early stage. Up to the 17th century, the entire ship may have been built up from the keel, reflecting northern practices that date back to the shell-first method of the Viking-Age. My impression is that in this particular case the planking was left incomplete to show the internal structure of the hull. I would agree that in the process the planking at the bow didn't turn out quite right. wefalck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted June 22, 2014 Share #23 Posted June 22, 2014 I guess it's another way to show off the framing but certainly the planking is not correct as per Druxeys picture to what would if been done real world. But still another way to do the job! Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted June 25, 2014 Share #24 Posted June 25, 2014 I think you have to try to do it the way the real ship wrights did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted June 25, 2014 Share #25 Posted June 25, 2014 I think it's a really nice planking job. But to me, the end justifies the means as long as the hull gets planked and it's pleasing to the eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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