Jump to content

HMS Diana 1794 by Ray - FINISHED - Caldercraft - A 38 gun Heavy Frigate


Recommended Posts

HMS DIANA 1794 By Ray– A 38 Gun Heavy Frigate (Caldercraft)

 

I intend to depict her as built in 1794 with open rails on the quarter deck and replace the quarter deck carronades with 9 pounders, I also intend to plank the decks as in Anatomy of the ship “The Frigate Diana” by David White so will replace the supplied wood with Maple.

 

I have had the kit for several months, but only had a quick look inside the box to see if all seemed present and correct, I did not want to start thinking about her too much until Pegasus was completed. Now Pegasus has been completed I delved into the box in earnest, and it is quite a large and heavy one, all the contents seem to be good quality although I would have preferred walnut dowel to the Birch wood dowel supplied this just does not look as good stained as the walnut does varnished, so I will replace any dowel that is not to be painted with walnut.

 

The one thing I would like to replace are the copper tiles, I think they are nowhere as good as the Amati ones, to me the ones supplied are to bright, and the rivet detail is in comparison, nowhere near as good but at a cost of around £100 this may not be possible.

 

I have been in for a bit of stick from family members, as my first wife’s name was, you have guessed It, Diana, so I will have to get used to “ off to your room with Diana again” and “we never thought you and Diana would spend so much time together” a cross I will have to bear.

 

Diana boxed

post-10-0-02487800-1361726580.jpg

 

kit opened

post-10-0-40841200-1361726631_thumb.jpg

 

post-10-0-47878200-1361726680.jpg

 

Fittings

 

post-10-0-96490700-1361726730.jpg

post-10-0-42615000-1361726745.jpg

 

Timber

post-10-0-56063900-1361726787.jpg

 

Book

post-10-0-91273600-1361726808.jpg

 

 

 

 

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ray,

 

Good Luck with your Diana. I just completed mine this past December. This is the oldest but one of the best Caldercraft kits. Overlook the poor instructions, toss 'em. The plans are quite good however, the materials are excellent. I loved upgrading this kit.

 

I have some photos in the completed ship gallery here you may want to look at - you know, inspiration! As you'll see, I decided to not copper her. I agree that the Victory Models copper plates are considerably better (I used them on the VM/Amati Mercury brig kit, same scale). YOu may want to think about this approach. Diana's lower hull lines are beautiful and the walnut planking does finish-up quite nicely.

 

Cheers!

Ron

 

 

post-31-0-01645200-1361728839.jpg

Ron

Director, Nautical Research Guild

Secretary/Newsletter Editor, Philadelphia Ship Model Society

Former Member/Secretary for the Connecticut Marine Model Society

 

Current Build: Godspeed 2, (Wyoming, 6-masted Schooner)

Completed Builds: HMS Grecian, HMS Sphinx (as HMS CamillaOngakuka Maru, (Higaki Kaisen, It Takes A Village), Le Tigre Privateer, HMS Swan, HMS Godspeed, HMS Ardent, HMS Diana, Russian brig Mercury, Elizabethan Warship Revenge, Xebec Syf'Allah, USF Confederacy, HMS Granado, USS Brig Syren

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I had to wipe back a little drool - that looks like it is going to be one fun and challenging build. All the little parts are soooo cool!  I will eagerly follow along.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-Sarah

Current Build:

Krabbenkutter CUX-87

Harriet Lane

Fishcutter GO-38

 

In the Wings:

Corel Victory Cross section

 

Completed Build:

USS Missouri minimissouri.jpgHMS Bounty's Jolly Boat thumbnail.jpg Peterboro Canoe tiny.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ray,

If I were to get back into kits, I think this one would be near the top of my list. Although the two Chris Watton new kits should be tempting also.  I'll just sit over here in the balcony and watch.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ray, after your fantastic Pegasus build very keen to see more of this build, she really is a beauty...something I'm aspiring to.  I've just finished coppering my Snake build, I felt a little wary with the Caldercraft copper plates as well as I've seen them criticized in this forum, however I was pleasantly surprised with the overall effect once complete as it was not as 'in your face' as I had feared, but just my humble opinion.  Best of luck and eagerly waiting to see more!

Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ray,

 

I'm confident you'll get plenty of satisfaction & fun out of this kit.

As your previous build is already on the shelf,  I must admit that building instructions are -in my opinion- a bit "antique" compared to HMS Pegasus explanations, but there's nothing you can't handle.

Just one thing : the only serious "roadblock" I encountered is the position of transom supports : please pay attention that you don't fix them too high. By consequence, you might end up with quarterdeck galleries that are too high and some decoration rails that need to be fixed just above the same quarterdeckgallery just not might fit.

Kind regards

 

Christian

 

"The original always beats the copy"

(supportive statement)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Guys thanks for your comments I can rearly now get on with Diana after reloading my old build logs. I have a few weeks and then am due for a total knee replacement so I am not shure if that will give me more building time or less ?

 

Christian

I seem to remember in some old build logs this tramsom height problem when I get near to fixing them I can dryfix and send some pics to you, it may be a bit down the road as I plan to top & but the main gun deck first.

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites


The first real part of the build was to remove the frames/bulkheads and the keel from the ply sheets and dress down the edges, which gave me the chance to use one new toy a belt and disc sander. The keel in this kit is just ply no hard wood outer edge not as good as the other two kits I have built so I will paint the bow black to cover the ply edge. I then made up the build board, which was needed as the ply keel did have a bend in it.

 

With the keel slotted into the board the frames were all slotted on to it and the lower plywood deck, and they all slotted together well.
 

I also ordered the maple for the new decking.

 

Keel and frames out of the box

post-10-0-88683700-1361789456.jpg

 

Keel on build board

post-10-0-47433900-1361789457.jpg

 

New sander

post-10-0-13833100-1361789458.jpg

 

Starting to dry fit

post-10-0-50730300-1361789455.jpg

 

Allframes dry fitted

post-10-0-27494800-1361789456.jpg

 

 

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ray, 

 

Sure looks like you are off to a good start, thisk I'll set back and watch yout progress!

 

Tim

Tim 

 

Current Build:

 

 

 

 

 

Future Build:

  • BlueJacket - USS Kidd (Fletcher Class Destroyer) Solid Hull
  • BlueJacket - U.S.S. SAMUEL B. ROBERTS, DE413 | Butler-Class Destroyer Escort
  • BlueJacket - 310' Destroyer "The famous "four-piper" of both World Wars"
  • Model Shipways - Pride of Baltimore II (Topsail Schooner) 
  • Model Shipways - Willie L. Bennett (Chesapeake Bay Skipjack)
  • Constructo - Pilar (Ernest Hemingway's Fishing Yacht)  
  • Sergal - Race Horse (Bomb Ketch)
  • Classic Warships - USS Salem CA-139 (Heavy Cruiser) Resin Kit
  • Pen Duick Schooner - Half Hull (Scratch Build)
  • CSA Submarine Hunley (Resin Kit)
  • Classic Warships - USS Washington BB-56 (Battleship) Resin Kit
  • Blue Ridge Models - USS Alaska CB-1 (Resin Kit)

 

Completed Builds:

                 

Member:

Hampton Roads Ship Model Society

 

              

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Next job was to taper the bow and stern frames plus the bow blocks it’s a matter of get it as close as you can now before the frames are glued in place and one good thing with this build is the lower deck does hold everything fairly well in place dry fitted, one problem I did encounter was with frame 6 it was too narrow as can be seen in the photos so I packed out, the outer edge, it also needed the inner edge reworking as well again the photos show this, and frame13 Needed packing out as the hull planking would have dipped if this had not been done, several of the rear frames semi broke when the lower deck kept going on and coming off so they were glued up and strengthening strips added to the sides, when all the tapering was done the frames were glue into place and then the lower deck glued on  as well. I will balsa fill between the first few and the last few frames before I plank.

 

Tapering frames

post-10-0-88788400-1361830777.jpg

 

checking taper

post-10-0-27086400-1361830780.jpg

 

bow frames done

post-10-0-53854800-1361830779.jpg

 

shows problem at frame 6

post-10-0-85209800-1361830784.jpg

 

adding material to frame 6

post-10-0-81989300-1361830778.jpg

post-10-0-80983400-1361830783.jpg

 

frame 6 nearly sorted

post-10-0-25047500-1361830781.jpg

 

problem at frame 13 extra material needed

post-10-0-14583200-1361830783.jpg

post-10-0-87744500-1361830785.jpg

 

 

frames and lower deck glued up

post-10-0-23237700-1361830782.jpg

 

 

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ray,

 

I will be following the build closely, taking lots of notes.  You are off to  great start. She will build into a great ship. I have the kit under my worktable and hope to build her next in about a year or so when I complete the Snake.

 

Mort

Current Build - Caldercraft Victory

 

Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William 

 

Waiting to be Launched -  Bluejacket Constitution

 

 

Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Deck planking

As I am going to top & but the gun deck planking I thought my normal method of laying black thread between the planks would not be very practical. I had seen on the old site some black brush pen, which it was, reckoned do not bleed so I ordered two pens to give this method a try on the lower deck of which a bit will be seen through the gratings, I also used the supplied planking to do this.

 

 

The method just run the pen over the edge of the plank lay it and run a pencil along the deck and repeat, the result surprised me how good it looked and how fast.

 

The pen

post-10-0-34262300-1361917529.jpg

 

Blackening the edge

post-10-0-37492900-1361917530.jpg

 

lower deck planking

post-10-0-83403100-1361917533.jpg

post-10-0-53243800-1361917534.jpg

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The lower deck planking looks great crisp and clean. I have always had great results with a #2 pencil run on one edge of my deck planks. This looks nicer.

 

Mort

Current Build - Caldercraft Victory

 

Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William 

 

Waiting to be Launched -  Bluejacket Constitution

 

 

Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I decided to plank the gun deck top and but as the pattern in the Anatomy of the ship “The Frigate Diana” although the book does not show the gun deck planked in this way, this method of planking was done to strengthen the deck, so it seems the book is most likely flawed on this point on page 52 as on page 108 it shows the deck underneath an 18 pounder top and but planked.

To get my head around how to set this pattern I made a paper pattern of the deck and thin cardboard planks. Normally I would start planking from the deck centre line and work out to the bulwark but this method would not work here, I would have to work out from the bulwark to the centre of the deck, but needed to have a straight line where the top and but planking ends to make the rest of the planking look right, as there will be about 8 or 9 widths of 3mm planking, and the 2 widths of 5mm up to the gratings and 4 or 5 3mm planks in the centre.

 

  THIS WILL BE MY COMPROMISE I know the top and but would be the same width from bow to stern but you can only see a smallish length of it, when the quarter, and fore decks are on, and in the same way, I will not fully rig the guns that cannot be seen.

 

The ply deck was glued in place, this method also requires a waterway tight up to the frames so a 7mm plank was cut and shaped to fit.

 

Paper deck plan

post-10-0-70229300-1362013082.jpg

 

setting out with card planks

post-10-0-68027000-1362013084.jpg

 

waterway being set up

post-10-0-25146400-1362013085.jpg

 

ply deck marked out and glued on

post-10-0-44204800-1362013083.jpg

post-10-0-14025100-1362013084.jpg

 

water way shaped ready to fix

post-10-0-67473600-1362013081.jpg

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Gun deck planking

I started the gun deck planking by adding the waterway plank, it was trimmed and shaped from a 7mm wide length of maple, it was set hard against the frames and with a bulwark plank set on top, this gave the waterway a 4mm width. I then cut out a few shaped planks and worked out a straight line in from the waterway parallel to the deck centre line at about amidships wide enough to cover the planking pattern, which is four planks wide, this was the compromise as in the last post, the top and but planking was then laid from that line to the waterway. I tried the ply top decks on, and you just do not see where the top and but planking tapers you only see it at full width. Next I started laying the 3mm wide planks and I will say the 3mm timber was nowhere near as good on the edges as the 5 & 7mm and requires a lot of sanding, as showed a few rows have been laid the rest to do.

 

 

Waterway & stright edge for distance

post-10-0-93687600-1362148580.jpg

 

First row of planks

post-10-0-54753100-1362148571.jpg

 

Two rows

post-10-0-41655500-1362148585.jpg

 

Top & but finished one side

post-10-0-38248000-1362148584.jpg

post-10-0-03202100-1362148582.jpg

 

 

Top & but finished one side with ply top deck in place

post-10-0-34153100-1362148583.jpg

 

 

 

Top & but finished one side with the first rows of 3mm planking and a bulwark plank in place

post-10-0-71267500-1362148582.jpg

 

 

 

 

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Looks very nice already Ray, maybe I missed it, are you using maple for all the decking? It has a beautiful colour made only better by the sharp planking - curious whether you had any bleeding on the ends on the planks, I tried this approach and found even with an archival pen it bled into Tanganyika wood so ended up using a soft pencil.  Did you seal the wood at all first?

 

Either way, its a huge improvement - sorry for all the questions!

Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Jason 

 

               I am using maple for all the decking, I think it looks much better than the Tanganyika supplied in the kits, and it cost around £35 to replace it ,so not to bad it is just a pity the 3mm is not as sharp on the edges as the 5 & 7mm.Aplying the pen/brush, it only just bleeds a tiny amount on the ends so I am very lightly touching the ends to stop this.

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Hi Ray,


 


Very nice deck planking work on Diana, Sir, the waterway and those top-and-butt planks look a real treat, I'll be keeping an eye on your beautiful frigate build  :)


Best regards,

Aldo

Currently Building:
HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton

 

HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding)

 

 


Past build:
HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ray,

 

Great job on the planking. Those butt planks are fantastic.  I look forward to more posts.

 

Mort

Current Build - Caldercraft Victory

 

Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William 

 

Waiting to be Launched -  Bluejacket Constitution

 

 

Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ray, 

             Just wondering how you are finding the quality of the Diana kit against the Lady Nelson and Pegasus?  I have finished the Lady nelson and am just starting the Pegasus , your build logs came in very usefull and was so pleased you took the time to put them back up.

                                         

                                                                                                                     Rgs Steve

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Steve

              Early days yet as to a direct quality difference, I would say the Victory kits are very, very good.This kit so I am informed is a early Caldercraft one, at the moment I do not like the all ply keel as much or the dowel for the masts but the rest of the timber is just as good as the pegasus kit. some of the cast fittings also as not as good the ships bell for instance, but time will tell on the rest.The plans are all full size which I like slightly better but that makes them big to use.This is my opinion so far.

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

One half of the gun deck has now been planked top & butt, then 13 rows of 3mm planks and lastly two rows of 5mm up to the edge, where the gratings come to, the part left in the centre of the deck reverts to 3mm planks, I will fill that in after the other main half has been done, so far I a pleased with the effect and the maple. The other photos show my planking station just some pined down glass paper and spare 1.5 x 5 mm planking pined to allow the ends to be sanded square.


 

This might be the last update for a while as tomorrow the 6th I am going into hospital to have replacement knee surgery not looking forward to it very much, hopefully after the first few weeks I might have a lot of time to put into the build.

 

3mm planks ready to lay

post-10-0-54256600-1362507368.jpg

 

Sanding station

post-10-0-67756700-1362507424.jpg

 

Sanding edge

post-10-0-53548700-1362507423.jpg

 

3mm planking being layed

post-10-0-10142400-1362507490.jpg

 

3mm planking done

post-10-0-91217300-1362507490.jpg

 

One side finished

post-10-0-74192800-1362507488.jpg

 

post-10-0-92935600-1362507491.jpg

 

post-10-0-70725200-1362507492.jpg

 

post-10-0-80369900-1362507493.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Your deck is very impressive. I tip my hat to you. Best of luck with the surgery. Hope you return soon better than ever.

 

Mort

Current Build - Caldercraft Victory

 

Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William 

 

Waiting to be Launched -  Bluejacket Constitution

 

 

Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ray,

 

Question concerning the deck planking. I know you said you made a paper cutout and cardboard deck planks but  did you make a jig to help you shape the planks?

 

Thanks,

Mort

Current Build - Caldercraft Victory

 

Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William 

 

Waiting to be Launched -  Bluejacket Constitution

 

 

Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Great start, Ray.  Wishing you a wonderful outcome on the surgery and a speedy recovery.

 

Take care.

Happy modeling,

 

Len

 

Current build: HMS Bellerophon semi-scratch from plans of Victory Models HMS Vanguard 

Drydock:  MS Constitution

Completed builds: MS AVS, scratch built Syren, Victory models HMS Fly

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Ray,

 

Very impressive planking mate, I will be following your progress with interest.

 

Good luck with the surgery and I wish you a speedy recovery.

 

Mobbsie

mobbsie
All mistakes are deliberate ( me )


Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle

 

Completed Builds :-   Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ),  Granado Cross Section 1/48

Harwich Bawley, Restoration,  Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration,  Will Everard 1/67 Billings 

HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft KitHM Brig Badger,  HM Bomb Vessel Granado,
Thames Steam Launch Louise,  Thames Barge Edme,  Viking Dragon Boat


Next Build :-  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hello Ray,

 

First of all i'd like to congratulate you for the wonderful job you did on Pegasus, i'm planning to buy the kit in the near future and your build log will be my guideline. On the Diana everything looks very good so far and taking in account  your skills i have no worries about the final result. For the second deck how did you blackened the edges - you used the pen again?

Keep up the good work

 

Cheers,

Mihai

Current build:

 

 

 

Previous build:

 

HMS Pegasus - Victory Models

 

Marseille - Mamoli

 

Halifax - Mamoli

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Guys thanks for the comments and best wishes. My knee surgery went ok, only in hospital for four days, but it is extremely painful so I have not yet done any more work on Diana, Sharpe knifes and alike mixed with a fair bit of morphine are not the best mix.

 

 

Hi Mihai

                I did use the brush/pen on all the decking laid so far and I am very pleased with the result, and its having the benefit of it being faster as well over my normal method of laying black cotton thread between each plank not very practical on the top & butt planking.

 

 

Hi Mort

               I did not use a jig for the top and butt planks I just cut and measured each one from 80mm length of 5mm maple (as in the photo)

post-10-0-62226400-1363448717.jpg

 

I cut a few at this standard size and laid the ones that just fit together nice and trimmed as necessary others, or cut one to give a snug fit and carried on to the bow and stern cutting each one as required, tapering them to give the straight line were the 3mm planking starts.

Ray

 

 Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48

 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler

 Completed  HMS Diana

Completed build The Lady Nelson

Completed Build HMS Pegasus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...