Pete38 Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share #91 Posted March 31, 2013 Still working on the treenail for the frames,,,only 2 more to go.... When I get one frame done and the treenails trimmed I have been getting ready to raise the frames on the build board. Pictures are a better explanation: I glue a tempory batten arcoss the top using the framing layout pdf to get the correct distance from side to side at the top I then mark the center of the temporary batten to match up to the center mark on my build board Also have been marking the center of the frames at the keel also as a way to double check Here is one temporary place to see how it is going to work out Once all the frames are raised and attached to the keel I plan on cutting some support from cherry to go between the frames while fairing the hull. I may leave them in since will be planking over where I place them. Everyone have a Happy Easter PeteB, fatih79, Paddy and 1 other 4 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted March 31, 2013 Share #92 Posted March 31, 2013 Pete: That jig is a very good idea. Excellent work. I also agree on the fillers for stiffening. I have used that on a cross section model and it worked well. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long9Ron Posted March 31, 2013 Share #93 Posted March 31, 2013 It's looking great Pete. Very good idea on the frame jig. As I mentioned before, I didn't do that procedure and I am regretting that now. My frames are not aligned properly and I have been having to work around it. I sure wish I did it your way. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rummy Posted March 31, 2013 Share #94 Posted March 31, 2013 Looks very nice Pete,very clean and precise. Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boccherini Posted April 1, 2013 Share #95 Posted April 1, 2013 Pete, the frames look good. Your building jig is simlar (but better) to the one I used. Chocks between the frames work well for strengthening the assembly during fairing. Looking forward to seeing it all glued in place. Regards, Grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 3, 2013 Author Share #96 Posted April 3, 2013 Gentlemen, Thank you very much for looking in and the nice comments. I Love This Place All the treenails in the frames are done. so getting ready to raise the frames. I have found 3 advantages so far at building at this bigger scale 1. It is not nearly so hard on my eyes 2. The treenail are alot bigger....don't have to keep breaking them while pulling through the drawplate to the smaller size 3. I can use my regular size powertools on this build such as my sanders This is my detail sander, sanding the side before raising with a 320 grit, making sure the treenail are even With that done I started raising the first frame "C" Was wanting to make sure the build board was square to the base first After that I clamped it in place to make sure it did not move I first test fitted the frame adjusting the keel notch slightly with a sanding stick (cheap fingernail file) Glued it in place and clamped it to the face board Then check for squareness again Rest of the frames waiting to be raised Now I have a Question for you.....Would you wait to pin (treenail) the frame to the keel after all frames are in place or would it be better to pin each frame as I go. Also..Since this is a bigger scale I thought about using 2 treenails per frame maybe pin at slight angles to each other. This would prevent any movement at all. Please voice your opinion. Thanks PeteB, isabuncu and fatih79 3 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted April 4, 2013 Share #97 Posted April 4, 2013 Hi Pete, I love they way you are proceeding. Very well thought out and executed. For me I would treenail each frame as you go. That would assist in keeping them secure in case you should hit one while raising your other frames. I don’t see why you can’t use 2 treenails if there is enough room. As you said it should be much stronger. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 4, 2013 Share #98 Posted April 4, 2013 I agree. Treenail as you go. If the frame is in place, glued in and squared up, then it is ready to be treenailed. Nice work so far. It looks like very careful work. That will pay dividends down the road. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 4, 2013 Share #99 Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Pete, thanks for showing us the care you've taken to insure accurate frames. Being the apprentice here I have only a gut feel for the question you ask about when to treenail the frames. So, I'll just watch and listen to what the group thinks. A point I believe you are getting close to is fairing the frames to the proper bevel and taper from the keel to the deck clamp area and questions are starting to come to mind about the best approach to accomplishing this. I'm looking forward to how you'll be going about this task also. Enjoying you log all around. Edited April 4, 2013 by Paddy 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsaplala Posted April 4, 2013 Share #100 Posted April 4, 2013 Hi Pete, Just catching up with your excellent build, beautiful and precise work on those frames Sir, your ship is coming along beautifully Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicmcdude Posted April 4, 2013 Share #101 Posted April 4, 2013 Beautiful build on a great scale. Count me in on following! Greetings, Sinan Build log:TRITON POB 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share #102 Posted April 4, 2013 Rusty...Russ....Paddy...Aldo...Sinan Thank you for looking in and the comments and suggestions. I will be treenailing each frame as I go So back to the workshop.......picture progress to follow... Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share #103 Posted April 4, 2013 As stated before I am treenailing as I go. Since I am at a larger scale I am going with a larger treenail for holding power than the scale calls for. They are about .047 dia. and 5/8" long. With 2 per frame at a slight angle (like an X) should provide a strong joint. Here is the first frame standing on it own Drilling the holes with my flex shaft on the dremmel Holes drilled Next installed treenails with diluted glue fatih79 1 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 4, 2013 Share #104 Posted April 4, 2013 I would not dilute the glue you use on trreenails. Use it full strength. The frame looks good. Nice job. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share #105 Posted April 4, 2013 Thanks Russ. the glue was only diluted very little to help run into the hole. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share #106 Posted April 4, 2013 Moved on to the next frame. After the dry fit and checking for squarenss if glued it into place. Cut some temporary spacers for between the frames held in place with a drop of hot glue. Will replace with the permenant cherry spacers later Thats all for now...back to raising frames.... fatih79 1 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 5, 2013 Share #107 Posted April 5, 2013 Pete: There is no need to dilute. The treenail should be an easy fit, with just a hair's bit of play. The glue coating on the treenail will take some space in the hole as it dries. I usually ream out the treenail hole ever so slightly to make the treenail a slide fit so that the wood glue coating will make it fit perfect. I wipe off the excess glue that squeezes out afterwards. Your framing is coming along nicely. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 6, 2013 Author Share #108 Posted April 6, 2013 Thanks for checking in. All the frames are raised and in place. The next job will be to fair the frames, hope there is enough meat on the frames for this. Here's a few pictures of my progress to date. Just had to take it out of the jig to see how it looked. Surprised how strong the frames are already... Time to start sanding....sanding...sanding.... aviaamator, harvey1847, aykutansin and 5 others 8 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 6, 2013 Share #109 Posted April 6, 2013 Pete: So far, it looks pretty good. Just go slow with the sanding and check with a sample plank often. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long9Ron Posted April 7, 2013 Share #110 Posted April 7, 2013 It's looking great Pete. Nice job Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted April 7, 2013 Share #111 Posted April 7, 2013 Very nice and precise work. It's looking good. Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rummy Posted April 8, 2013 Share #112 Posted April 8, 2013 Nice frames Pete.A very smart move putting the planks across the top.I didn't do that and I paid for it later. Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicmcdude Posted April 9, 2013 Share #113 Posted April 9, 2013 Looking good! Greetings, Sinan Build log:TRITON POB 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share #114 Posted April 12, 2013 Just a small update. Started doing a little of the sanding...time is getting tight since the warm weather has moved in...Gardens and yard work loom ahead, have to get all the mowers and tractors going taking away from the cross section . So here are a few pictures of where I am at............. Took measurements from the plans and transferred to the frames Marked each frame for the flat to be sanded Made up a sanding stick with 100 grit long enough to reach from end to end so sanding would be equal for each frame Pencil marked each frame to gauge when I had sanded down to make the frames level with each other Check with a straight edge to make sure was sanding evenly Also used the keesson to check Once this is sanded to suit me I will replace the temporary block between the frames with the permenant cherry wood. So back to sanding and yard work..... aykutansin, fatih79, rummy and 4 others 7 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 12, 2013 Share #115 Posted April 12, 2013 Thanks for posting that Pete. Looks to me that you have a good technique going. Man, we seem to be a ways from warming up here. I’m still waiting for 60 degree weather so I can put the sealer on my gantry building board. They’re talking snow again tonight. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 13, 2013 Share #116 Posted April 13, 2013 Nice progress, Pete. Use the sanding stick idea for working up the inside and the outside of the hull before you start planking. Putting the keelson on will help with rigidity before sanding. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rummy Posted April 13, 2013 Share #117 Posted April 13, 2013 Very nice Pete your work is A-1.Teaching me a lot. Thanks Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long9Ron Posted April 13, 2013 Share #118 Posted April 13, 2013 Nice work Pete Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? Rustyj, harvey1847 and rummy 3 Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marius Posted April 17, 2013 Share #119 Posted April 17, 2013 Wish mine looked like that. Well done. Meticulous work pays off. marius HMS TRITON cross section marius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 17, 2013 Share #120 Posted April 17, 2013 Pete: Nice work. That is some careful measuring and sanding. I like the sanding stick. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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