Bootes Posted July 17, 2014 Share #1 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Here is something I have been toying with. LED lit cannons. Controlled by an led flasher unit (from an online auction site) with sixteen led's and eleven programs. Each led has four or five fibre optic cables held in place with heat shrink. The cannon has been drilled through with a two mm drill this also removes the fixing pin on the back of the cannon but will be held in place with the fibre optic. Smaller F/O could also be used. With a bit of playing around with the placement of the cannon end of the F/O broadside firing patterns can be achieved. Is it too cheesy. Please let me know what you think. Bootes Edited July 17, 2014 by Bootes WackoWolf, CharlieZardoz, Aussie048 and 1 other 4 Quote Bootes Colour is just a pigment of your imagination ! Current build: HMS Victory - Constructo 1:94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootes Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share #2 Posted July 17, 2014 Hi Brian, thanks for the feed back. Yep, I have also thought about flickering LED's (1.8-2mm) for the cabins, any lanterns that might show by stairs, ship's wheel and binnacle and of course the stern lanterns. Now what about sound !!! Hmmmm Quote Bootes Colour is just a pigment of your imagination ! Current build: HMS Victory - Constructo 1:94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted July 17, 2014 Share #3 Posted July 17, 2014 Bootes I am looking for a source of flickering LED's for the cabin of my current build. If you know of one, please let me know. BTW, re: the sound. Little computer speakers hidden somewhere in the model won't cut it. What you need is a massive subwoofer under the table and a smoke generator. That will really surprise people who are expecting a tinny sounding "boom" to come from your model WackoWolf 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jud Posted July 18, 2014 Share #4 Posted July 18, 2014 Cabin and gun-deck lights good. Unless you make smoke and have a report with your cannon lighting, to me it would say, has good understanding about fiber optics, can produce some very fine work on models but hasn't a clue about gunfire. Being an Old Gunners Mate my opinion may be a tad bit bias. jud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootes Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted July 18, 2014 There are several ways to have flickering LED's. Flickering LED's or standard LED's controlled by a flicker unit. I've had a look around for very small 1.3mm flickering LED's but can only find them in 3mm on a well know auction site (not sure if I'm allowed to use the name). I have found two very small flicker controls on the same site, one for a single LED and the other controls four but I should think a couple of extra LED's could be added to each unit. LED range in size from about 1.3mm upwards and most come with a resistor. I have never posted a link before so I hope these work. Murton Scale Miniatures, controll unit: Link Murton Scale Miniatures, 5mm LED: Link Very small LED: Link There are plenty of LED lighting solutions on that site. I have also been playing around with cannon fire sound effects on the computer,and there are a few sound samples on the net which could be loaded into a small cheap mp3 player. Cornwall Model Boats sell an SD card 'Galleon With Cannon sound card' for £9.98: Link I think the smoke might be beyond me. Bootes Keith_W 1 Quote Bootes Colour is just a pigment of your imagination ! Current build: HMS Victory - Constructo 1:94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted July 18, 2014 Share #6 Posted July 18, 2014 Hi. The smoke can be made by using model steam loco smoke oil. A heater unit( nitchchrome wire ). A shot air supply ( relay with diafram ) A Arduino nano providing the timings. Process is :- Relay pulls back. heat oil for 5 seconds. release relay. Wait for next shot.. Have done this on a 1/12 scale cannon with a impressive puff of smoke forming a ring as it leaves the barrel. As for the Flickering LED's I did a how to some time ago. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2806-flickering-lights/?hl=%2Bflickering+%2Bled If you need a small drawing on the smoke.. I can do this if wanted later tonight. Regards Antony. Bootes and Keith_W 2 Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted July 18, 2014 Share #7 Posted July 18, 2014 Yes Antony, I saw your thread about flickering LED's with an Arduino board. To be honest I am a little intimidated by that solution, but I did look into it closely. I am currently wiring up my latest project for LED lighting (see my signature), but I decided not to bother with the flickering effect. Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 18, 2014 Share #8 Posted July 18, 2014 There's some articles here on LED setups: http://modelshipworldforum.com/ship-model-furniture-and-deck-fittings.php Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 18, 2014 Share #9 Posted July 18, 2014 i would love to do something like this - but - i have found the actual build difficult enough without all this extra electronics, but i love to see and admire actual finished builds with this incorporated Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoule Posted July 18, 2014 Share #10 Posted July 18, 2014 I'm an old gunner's mate, as well, and I think its cool; lots of possibilities. Keep playing with it; I'm fascinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootes Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share #11 Posted July 19, 2014 Bootes I am looking for a source of flickering LED's for the cabin of my current build. If you know of one, please let me know. BTW, re: the sound. Little computer speakers hidden somewhere in the model won't cut it. What you need is a massive subwoofer under the table and a smoke generator. That will really surprise people who are expecting a tinny sounding "boom" to come from your model Keith, just a thought shouldn't the sound also be to scale. I've knocked up some sounds on the computer.One for the really big and another for the light, the heavies have a really reverberating sound that rumbles on after each shot, still needs a bit of tweaking to get it just right. Unfortunately I can't post the sample for feed back. Bootes Quote Bootes Colour is just a pigment of your imagination ! Current build: HMS Victory - Constructo 1:94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootes Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted July 19, 2014 By the time I'm finished I'l have that much cabling coming out of the ship. I didn't know they had towed arrays in the 1700's. mtaylor 1 Quote Bootes Colour is just a pigment of your imagination ! Current build: HMS Victory - Constructo 1:94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted July 19, 2014 Share #13 Posted July 19, 2014 Bootes you are probably right that the sounds should be to scale. But the thought of causing involuntary bowel actions when I am showing off my boat tickles me pink. As you may have figured by now, I am not a very nice person gjdale 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jud Posted July 19, 2014 Share #14 Posted July 19, 2014 When we were trying to record the sounds of a 40 MM Bofers firing, Mt 46 aboard the Harnett County LST 821 in RVN, we did not get much, the concussion at the mount would make a splat sound as the shock wave tried to destroy the mike. With the recorder at Mt 46, a good recording of Mt 41 firing could be obtained, of course that would be a little over 200 feet away. Kind of disappointing not being able to record the gun sounds such as feed pawls, empties going down the casing guides and other sounds that a Mount Captain should be listening to. jud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted July 19, 2014 Share #15 Posted July 19, 2014 By the way, if you look for Antal Dorati's recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 overture, you will find a recording of a real cannon from 1775. Amazon link here: http://www.amazon.com/1812-Overture-Capriccio-Italien-Wellingtons/dp/B000PMFTE0 The cannon appears first as part of the music, then in the next track it appears by itself. Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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