Jump to content
Dubz

HMC Sherbourne by Dubz - (Pimp my Sherbourne)

Recommended Posts

Those masts turned out really nicely.  I think your scale of 1:64 is somehow different to everyone else's 🙂 , you manage to get such precision on all small details.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Chuck, Tony, Chris, Jason and the likes 🙂

 

More progress on the mast. Small parts done with boxwood and pinned with 0.3mm brass rod. Nothing is glued yet except the crosstree to avoid any trouble with the rigging 🙂

 

7885f6dc092ac3fd8674e9ecc6189cb9.jpg

 

3a954db2a71965295544c30fb034f8ee.jpg

 

d2b2032b9f752d2cce39fd2389dfa218.jpg

 

c77e7a2c6dccedc7c686a764abff34a6.jpg

 

a932267dd96c358761524fe2c2042874.jpg

 

cheers,

 

Dirk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just in time to continue with your Sherbourne! Thought it would never happen:) What you do is amazing.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And more mast detailing. Today I made the cleats. I used @Chuck ones and again thankful for him providing us all these little helpful addons 🙂

 

0efad7de69f81a215d370483ad0733f6.jpg

 

 

The cleats needs to have the angle of the deck.

 

8be5af91bb3b1413a902a690b9b15770.jpg

 

 

Second coat of Oil for the mast.

 

c43e7239f20dc985b48ef2bac35a78ab.jpg

 

134cd012cf5ac8491867d61e3790ecc3.jpg

 

 

On deck

 

d49746dc89ad88e8b7850391c4197d5e.jpg

 

ab3ab7d924a3254e855459cc0c82d2b3.jpg

 

cheers,

 

Dirk
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for the likes 🙂

 

Finished most of the the mast parts today.

 

0a91d30201cc61e1dc9f4a425f6eefc6.jpg

 

316f5bec3cfef3c824553eb3c7765b28.jpg

 

7f159c83a9836e0b3e6b431efb234af9.jpg

 

238cb3b2e14d4eee7a05937355bc8640.jpg

 

First I wanted to paint the lower mastpart red but I am unsure now ...

 

 

Inbetween project.

 

2cd0f7d19c587bf507ffe678f6f20f68.jpg

 

 

cheers,

 

Dirk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I still love your close up work .. what a build !   re last photo   hmmm Cogs n' Bars n' Stuff .. interesting... part of a rope making kit I wonder,  or something else ..... We wait to find out ☺️

 

All The Very Best Mate

 

Eamonn

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm still struggling HOW to do my Sherbourne Rig. I know I like to do the "older" one but it is very hard to finde good sources in detail. At the moment my only "inspiration" is Marquardts Rig.

 

cutter.jpg

 

On 12/31/2014 at 1:33 PM, Gregor said:

Mainmast to pole head 22 yards 10 inches (diameter 15 3/4 inches)

Topgallant mast 7 3’’ (6 ½’’)

Boom 14 19’’ (10 5/8’’)

Spread yard 11 9’’ (7 1/8’’)

Gallant yard 9 0’’ (4 5/8’’)

Gaff 10’0’’ (7 3/4‘’)

Topsail gaff 2 24’’ (4 5/8’’)

Crossjack yard 12 0’’ (6 ¼’’)

Bowsprit 15 24’’ (14 7/8’’)

Flying jib boom 9 15’’ (6 1/8’’)

 

I tried to convert these dimensions to 1:64 and they feel wrong, crossjack yard just 10,97 meters (171 mm). May anybody do the same so we can compare results? Possible that yards and inch were different to mm at this time?

 

I also wondering that there are just three yards mentioned, It seems the Top gallant Yard is missing or is possible the "Topgallant Mast" the yard?

 

Interesting is the Topsail Gaff. Very rare seen on models and paintings. I like that. The following painting shows the topsail gaff but again another different rig.

2018_dawson_night_suspect_final_ver-1.jpg

 

Right now I'm testing the following dimensions adapted from the image above and the Alert book.Sherbourne_Yards_2.png

 

Any input is appreciated 🙂

 

cheers

 

Dirk

 

PS: I am also working on this

 

 

IMG_6291.JPG

 

And this 😄

 

IMG_6116.JPGIMG_6351.JPG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Right now searching collections.rmg.co.uk. Will take a while with just "cutter" as search word .. hehe .. but already found a good one. Topmast aft, only three yards and 1783. I will edit this post with more finds.

 

Very interesting is that there are two cutters with topmast aft but different rigs.

000 pu6016.jpg

Source: https://collections.rmg.co.uk

 

000 pu6017.jpg

Source: https://collections.rmg.co.uk

 

Another one with 3 yards and old rig (sail)

pw4294.jpg

Source: https://collections.rmg.co.uk

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The dimensions in original from the Sherbourne plan. It would be great to convert these to metrics and 1:64 as I don't understand/trust mine.

IMG_6401.JPG

 

image.png

EDIT: Guess I found one mistake 😉

 

cheers

 

Dirk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok I should have checked Gregors dimensions as he missed a line and then mixed the values too. AND there are FOUR yards and it seems to fit dimensions wise 😉

Sherbourne_Spar_Dimensions.png

EDIT: Corrected Values as of 21.08.2019

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One more question: "Mainmast to pole head" ist this the WHOLE length of the mast? "Pole head" confuses me. Or ist "Topgallant Mast" ADDED to this? So that the mast in whole is in mm 428,25?? (27,28 meters)

 

cheers

 

Dirk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

According to the measurements on the original plan these are the yards, boom and gaff. Topsail gaff is missing yet (38 mm). But she had 4 yards as the Alert.

 

Sherbourne_Yards_final_01.png

 

 

The relation of gaff and boom is exactly the sames as on the Alert, yards are different though.

Sherbourne_Gaff_01.png

 

Still not sure about the exact mast, topmast and fullmast dimensions.

 

cheers

 

Dirk

 

EDIT: Length corrected as of 21.08.2019

 

 

Sherbourne_Boom_and_Gaff_01.pdfSherbourne_Yards_Final_01.pdf

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And further on. I have questions, I need answers 🙂

 

According to the Original Plan the following values needs clarification: "Mainmast to pole head" 22 18", "Topgallantmast" 7 28", and the sentence below "The mast head to be 13" 6’ (??) long which length includes in the pole head".

Sherbourne_mast_dimensions_01.png

 

 

  • WHAT exactly is the masthead, green or red part?
  • WHAT does "The mast head to be 13" 6 long which length includes in the pole head". mean?
  • How much is 13" 6 in cm? EDIT: Is 120,4 cm, what makes no sense for a head ???

masthead.png

 

 

  • WHAT exactly is the Topgallantmast dimension (7 28")? INC. or EXCL. the pole head? (I guess EXCL.)
  • How long then is the common pole head?
  • WHAT does "Mainmast to pole head" mean? The whole mast up to the EXCLUDED pole head? But then it is the Topgallantmast included as the mainmast don't have a pole head (?)
  • Is the length of the mast the WHOLE mast or the mast above deck?

 

topgallant_with_pole_head.png

 

I really want to find out the exact dimensions for the Sherbourne's mast 🙂

 

Dirk

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How to calculate the length of the "common Pole Head" (Source: Schrage):

 

Hypothesis: The given length of 7,11 meters for the topgallant mast is excluded the pole head as there are three different types of pole heads which can and will be calculated.

 

(Length of topgallant x 0,388) 

 

So full length of this spar should be:

 

(Length of topgallant x 0,388) + Length of topgallant

 

(7,11 meter x 0,388) + 7,11 = 9,87 meters

 

That seems a reasonable length for a cutters topmast(?). What do you think?

 

Dirk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

According to this calculation I made another, higher, Topgallant mast with a common pole head.

 

6f7577559d16d1b0bb38c3001567455f.jpg

 

d7c8c7591505ace4f46a56d74e788bd3.jpg

 

d3279e383ceb6383ca062183447cca10.jpg

 

6e7f7b9c3af06c817ebcd388fb1eb291.jpg

 

26387d2e3032e428a37aee20b3dfacd3.jpg

 

 

Comparison old and new Topgallant mast.

 

bbace249f2f8fbd8f298a3345918dd59.jpg

 

1de43263817c6352888ab5e03d9550cf.jpg

 

cheers,

 

Dirk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some progress. More spars.

 

a119048498e1ea5aed52673913861b4a.jpg

 

5879a1e086824e6fb96a702a5bbcc482.jpg

 

fe43aac013c45d96a51f1bdf80e59bd0.jpg

 


And next to go.

 

f14e78dd23c13a87be8bed85a9a1e978.jpg

 

 

I still have these questions open please 🙂

 

  • WHAT does measuring wise "Mainmast to pole head" mean? The whole mast up to the EXCLUDED pole head? But then it is the Topgallantmast included as the mainmast don't have a pole head (?)
  • Is the length of the mast the WHOLE mast or the mast above deck?
  • What does the following mean: " The mast head to be 13’ 6’’ long which length includes in the pole head." and what exactly does this measure refer to (assumed 4.12 meters)?

 

cheers,

 

Dirk

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

If you’re running off shipyard drawings, the mast length is the whole mast, from the step on up.

 

 The polehead measurement is everything above the mast top.

 

 I may or may not have used the mast length measurement as above the deck on my Prince de Neufchatel, and had to compensate for the difference while making sails.

Edited by GrandpaPhil

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, GrandpaPhil said:

If you’re running off shipyard drawings, the mast length is the whole mast, from the step on up.

image.png

Thanks Dirk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I apologize for the quality of the doodling, I used the markup tool on my phone.

 

 The mast length to the top is to the right. The mast top is to the left.

95BBD413-3C56-4CF5-BA3F-66BE6DDF24A0.jpeg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

More progress on the yards.

 

I finished the spread yard. This one will stay natural.

 

596e8aba187812ba35977c8b36fa50c7.jpg

 

b86628f4effa86f0521a99936d755f1f.jpg

 

 

The others got their black paint today so that I can finish them. I airbrushed the parts and used Vallejo Black Primer. Easy to spray great looking result imo.

 

d2172d430520ec37176118b615320157.jpg

 

 

The mast got paint too (I will go with this dimensions now) 🙂

 

d3e7aea6e9d81733add94d9d596f7ac1.jpg

 

7501a7eaee924e5d1fd8e43078268d35.jpg

 

081b382721c551e77526756dccb9f8b8.jpg

 

08733cfec661b0f038f5c6fc65cf2722.jpg

 

cheers,

 

Dirk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Beautiful Stuff As Usual Dirk..  Wonderful to see her progressing again !

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

More progress 🙂

 

2c5904887535e2fbc9091e9c0464cc71.jpg

 

How to:

 

ed92a546fe84e602fc3b5eb8ed188307.jpg

 

91e8f29e4e527311adcab1f6b85c4794.jpg

 

37e76832f368de3aaff442c9f53004c8.jpg

 

8434700f20467889eb4962c204f2ccef.jpg

 

The spars.

 

8a8c66f62f5ea099095e3bd5e5170ce6.jpg

 

f0678eeffa4c56cab9394bd7df48ba76.jpg

 

5119fe9a0e0c0af5b0da57c23ae38527.jpg

 

I love the effect of oiling 🙂 Not sure yet if I will paint that black or not.

 

0d450ba6da87652731e1d91d9ccc4d31.jpg

 

93d49b676b5ddbdefd7ca20c7e832950.jpg

 

62c12d74f95b8612efd33e62aa7d86d9.jpg

 

cheers,

 

Dirk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

About us

Modelshipworld - Advancing Ship Modeling through Research

SSL Secured

Your security is important for us so this Website is SSL-Secured

NRG Mailing Address

Nautical Research Guild
237 South Lincoln Street
Westmont IL, 60559-1917

About the NRG

If you enjoy building ship models that are historically accurate as well as beautiful, then The Nautical Research Guild (NRG) is just right for you.

The Guild is a non-profit educational organization whose mission is to “Advance Ship Modeling Through Research”. We provide support to our members in their efforts to raise the quality of their model ships.

The Nautical Research Guild has published our world-renowned quarterly magazine, The Nautical Research Journal, since 1955. The pages of the Journal are full of articles by accomplished ship modelers who show you how they create those exquisite details on their models, and by maritime historians who show you the correct details to build. The Journal is available in both print and digital editions. Go to the NRG web site (www.thenrg.org) to download a complimentary digital copy of the Journal. The NRG also publishes plan sets, books and compilations of back issues of the Journal and the former Ships in Scale and Model Ship Builder magazines.

Our Emblem

Modelshipworld - Advancing Ship Modeling through Research
×
×
  • Create New...