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And on we go with some trifles :-)

 

I was wondering how to create furniture without it looking like dollhouse toys. Ok, off I went to find out.

 

Luckily I was successful, only have to stick to the true dimensions :-)

 

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Here the substructure, fast done and quite stable.

 

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Contemporary drawings always show the tables direction fore aft, so I displayed them over the massive partner of the sternpost. Like this canvas cabins could be erected on the ship´s sides.

The openings on the deck are no litter bins but aft there are the two scuttles of the ventilation trunks of the hold and in the front the scuttle for the bread room and in the middle the one for the Lady´s hole, means the stuff of the gunner. The gratings are flipped open for better ventilation.

 

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Here we already have the name of the area, the gun room. The gunner had his quarters here and was then highest warrent officer in this area.He had a canvas cabin on starboard and larboard was the one from the chaplin. The area also was the mess for the warrent officers, junior lieutenants, marine officers and first class volunteers. Here also the chaplin taught the junior midshipmen. The Area was separeted from the rest of the deck by means of canvas covers.

 

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Still have to redo the canvas blinds, but they work well as layout separations.

 

I hope, I got the details right,

 

cheers Daniel

 

PS: Could not resist to show the Tic Tac in place :-)

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This weekend, lifestyle trade show at Stuttgart, near my home. And guess what, the friends from Arbeitskreis historischer Schiffbau (Work group historical ship building) had a small booth in the hobby hall :-)

 

So there was to be tinkered publicly ...

 

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... talked ...

 

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... to be engrossed into building ...

 

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... discussed ...

 

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... looked up ...

 

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... conversated ...

 

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... immersed even more into model building ...

 

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... and for a change some chatted and gossiped.

 

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Robert explained the esprit of his Phantom ... 

 

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... while poor Joachim had to listen for half an hour to this dear man who explained to him, why Alexander´s Sphynx is not relly well done - to put it politely ;-)


 

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How will Alex react? How will he deal with this truth? See day two ...


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And always a highlight for me, Revell´s Cutty. I simply love those hybrid builds, that make wonders out of a heap of plastic !

 

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And here some proud ship builders :-)

 

Kingsley

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Phantom-Robert, aka Tarjack the boneman ...


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... my treassssssssure!

 

THE dafi

 

End day one :-)

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... go to a show and tell ...

 

... day two  ...

 

First we had to calm down Alexander, who had a breakdown after the secrets about the quality of his Sphynx was revealed the day before. Now he stands there with shattered dreams, on the pile of shards that is nothing more than a worthless and substandard model, now filled with the hankies of his bitter tears. I always told him to do a bit of research before starting to build. At least a little bit, a tiny bit. And better he would have done the scuppers of the decks properly and not just faked, as now the deck is stained with plenty of teardrops that could not drain away ...


 

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And dear Norbert was told, to better put planks, as the water could penetrate through the gaps in between the frames.

 

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They even did not accept the far-fetched excuse, that these were the scuppers needed to drain out the water that came over and in by the hatches ...

 

Especially Joachim´s Vasa was judged to be unrealistic, as it is missing a very elementary part, the pirat plank that all ships of those days were fitted with ...

 

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... and now he stands there and tries to find out where it fits.

 

Just Dieter, he was fine, as it was discovered immediately, that that little boat is an easy to build snap-together kit ...

 

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... never build a ship, do not worry, that´s easy, just tell me where to get the kit and I will do even better :-)

 

Just Ingo, he was clever, he gleamed in the brilliance of his latest build :-)

 

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So we really enjoyed thoroughly, DAniel

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And here comes another round of cardboard dummies with refined partitioning before I move on to produce the final ones.

 

As the Vic was an admirals ship in 1805 there were a lot of extra personal on board. This made me opt for a forth cabin as shown on Royal Sovereign in 1807.


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XXXDAn

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There were three options for the cabins: wood, canvas on a wooden frame and pure canvas like a shower curtain. 

 

All three versions of course were taken down in case of clearing the decks, but this is well known from the captains and admiral room bulkheads, as seen too in MaC ;-)

 

For the canvas I used washi paper for model planes, primed with clear varnish and put several thin layers of white and light rust paint (white paint with rusty stirring screws). Applied both sides of course.

 

For the gunners cabin I opted for the semifixed cabin with canvas on a wooden frame, as he surely had some material and documents to be kept off the reach of curious hands. The other cabins probably will be the shower curtains, just lets see how this works in the model.

 

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Funnily the transparency turned out just like I wanted it too :-)

 

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Took the cardboard template out and fitted the wooden frame accordingly onto the canvas ...

 

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... opened the door ...

 

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... fixed the bit in place and the gunner might move in. For sure he still will bring some chests, his kit and some bedding stuff to satisfy his nesting instinct and to feel home and cosy :-)

 

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Also the first lieutenant has already his place fixed ...

 

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... while those two little shipyard workers still discuss on how to proceed further ...

 

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Cheers, Daniel
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If one is unsure, best get a specialist to sort things out. And I could not have found anybody better :-)

 

My I present, Mr William Rivers, Gunner of the Victory since 1790*.

 

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Aged 50 he is already one of the oldest on board and lives since 15 years on the starboard aft end of the lower deck. he told me, that his nice wooden peace-time cabin was replaced by a batten-canvas construction as it facilitates removal during war times. But as he had some materials and documents to keep, he was the only one to get a real door.

 

The gunroom also was separated by a batten-canvas construction from the lower deck. Also the cabin underneath the weep was done this way, the middle cabins of the gunroom and the two extra cabins in front of it were pure canvas hanging from the beams. 

 

Through Mr River I had als the joy and honor to meet Chaplain Reverend Alexander Scott. In his typical black suit he took me to the so called school table where he held some lesons for the boys and midis.  

 

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While Mr Rivers tries to circle around the group, holding his hat in the hand as the max headroom is very poor, this scene is watched attentively by two 2nd Lieutenant of the Marines, Mr Lewis Rotely and Mr Lewis Reeves.

 

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Just some impressions, seen from the gundeck ...

 

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... our fancy group ... 

 

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... and Mr River, coming out of his cabin and trying to squeeze his way through.

 

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Cheers, Daniel

 

*(1793?)
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Thank you Mark :-)

 

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But this was the closest I could do about his face in 1:100 ;-)

 

The nice thing on the Vic is, that some of the personalities are still traceable today. A very interesting family this was the Rivers, father and son on Trafalgar.


See "Family background"

 

William Rivers, born 1755 in Bermondsey, London, dies 1817

Ships

Triumph / Gunner 27-02-1781 bis 17-12-1781

Conquistatador / Able Seaman 12-03-1782 bis 29-07-1782

Triumph / ? 14-10-1782 bis 09-12-1782

Triumph / Gunner 10-12-1782 bis 30-11-1787

Barfleur / Gunner 01-12-1790 bis 30-05-1790

Victory / Gunner 31-05-1790 bis 25-01-1812

 

Battle honors 

Battle of Hyeres 13-07-1795  

2nd battle at Cap St. Vincent 14-02-1797

Trafalgar 21-10-1805

 

A nice essay onto the duties of a gunner


 

He also wrote a diary/book about his work, that often is quoted:



 

 

That is why I am looking for this source out of the Royal Naval Museum: William Rivers (1755-1817), gunner on HMS Victory: gunnery notes (Acc 1998/41)

Does anybody have any copies of that?

 

XXXDAn

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Never found the time to introduce somebody else quite interesting:

 

Reverend Alexander Scott 

 

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Born in 1768 as son of a lieutenant in the navy. In 1793 he assigned as chaplain to HMS Berwick an. He was fluent in French, Spanish and Italian.

 

In the Mediterranean he met the captain of HMS Agamemnon, a certain Nelson, but refused to change to this ship, as he wanted to stay faithful to his own master and crew. Later he served abord HMS St. George and HMS Britannia under Sir Hyde Parker. 1801 was on the HMS London at the Battle of Copenhagen where he helped to draw up the treaties and helped Nelson as an interpreter. Afterwards being asked again to join Nelson, he refused a second time for the same reasons as before.

 

Then he served in the West-Indies on HMS Topaz as foreign secretary. Admiral Duckworth used Scott's linguistic abilities to help in translating documents and to spy and eavesdrop whilst visiting foreign ports. On one occasion he brought Scott to dine with him and the French general Charles Leclerc, in order to try to ascertain the French intentions towards the Caribbean.

 

1803 he had a shattering experience: Topaz was struck by a lightning that passed though his cabin and igniting some powder cartridges stored above him. This did cost him some teeth, injured his jaw and affected his hearing and eyesight. He recovered but still suffered some after shocks.

 

Nelson used the occasion of recovery to try a third time and was finally successful. From 1804 on, he served as foreign secretary aboard HMS Victory. There he spent plenty of time with Nelson reading newspapers and letters captured from foreign prizes to Nelson.

 

Also aboard the Victory was another man named Scott, this was John Scott, Nelson's personal secretary. Nelson solved the problem by terming Alexander Scott, now installed as his chaplain, as 'Doctor Scott'. Scott was not actually a Doctor at this point.

 

The thing he did not know yet at the time of the small gun room scene is, that he was to attend the dying Nelson, most of the time rubbing his chest to relieve his pain even after Nelson was already declared dead. He also stayed with Nelson on the way back and throughout the funeral.

 

Afterwards he lead a quiet life, married 1807 a much yonger woman, had to daughters and a son that died short after birth and also lost his wife because of the birth. He died 1840 at the age of 72.

 

His daughter Margaret Gatty became a best selling author, also telling his story.

 

 

So far I know two portraits of him: 

 

One on William Devis´ „Death of Nelson“, him at the center, rubbing Nelsons chest. Apparently based on a real life portrait Devis did himself.


 

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The other he is shown in his late life – possibly painted posthumously – in the background the lightning strike on HMS Topaz


 

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Cheers and a happy new year, Daniel
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Dafi,

 

Happy New Year to you.

 

It is great that you are introducing the personal aspect of life on ship, particularly in wartime, it completes the the environment in which these sailing ships existed.

 

By the way (to take a very light view) have you seen the film "Carry on Jack"? It introduces a whole new (and very British irreverence) to the battle of Trafalgar.  :o  ;)  :)

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