GLakie Posted August 2, 2015 Share #121 Posted August 2, 2015 Looks like nice, thin cloth, and perfect for sail-material Mike. She'll be spectacular with all her cloth up. mtdoramike and thomaslambo 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul0367 Posted August 3, 2015 Share #122 Posted August 3, 2015 Cool, I was not expecting her to be in full dress, now then i'm inteding in doing the same, Mike help a buddy and put tons of pictures on, close ups too please, looking stunning and one that really fuels the debate to paint or not to paint thats for sure. Beautifully built mate. GLakie, thomaslambo and mtdoramike 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share #123 Posted August 3, 2015 Thanks George and Paul. I'm studying the rigging plan thoroughly, which isn't bad, but I have had better rigging plans with Constructo and Mamoli models. So some educational guess work may be in order. To help with this issue, I have ordered Anatomy of the Ship HMS Victory from Amazon and expect it in a few days. Hopefully this will give me a little more guidance than just the rigging plan alone. mike GLakie and thomaslambo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share #124 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) I have run across an area that I'm finding problematic or at least to me it is......At the stern portion of the Vic, it only has one belaying pin rail, which is directly behind the mizzen mast. The problem I'm seeing is that the pin rail has at most about 8-10 belaying stations and on the rigging diagram, it shows each belaying point being utilized for any where from two to three rigging lines. I only have one line belayed to each point in the photo and as you can see, it gets quite bulked up with one line muchless two or three lines. Most ships that I have built has multiple belaying pin rails near the Mizzen mast as well as port and starboard sides of the stern section. The AL kit also contains what I call a green rigging thread, to be used for most of the running rigging, I prefer a light tan or cream colored line for the running rigging, but it is what it is. I'm trying to stay as close to the kit supplied items as I can as to give an overall persective of the kit. But the rigging thread is testing this. Lastly, I usually try and use my own rigging thread and prefer a cotton blend rather than straight cotton thread because of the fuzz factor. I tried waxing the lines, but wasn't happy with this result. So after much consideration, I recalled something that I did years ago when I was stuck with straight cotton rigging line, I went to my wife's make up cabinet, grabbed her can of hair spray. I spray a good bit on my fingers and then run the rigging lines between my fingers a couple of times to coat them with the hair spray. It seems to tame that pesky fuzz quite nicely. Fortunately it's the spray that drys none sticky. My wife isn't too happy about the donation, but I told her I would buy her a case of the stuff if I continue to use it mike Edited August 6, 2015 by mtdoramike thomaslambo, GLakie and Harvey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share #125 Posted August 6, 2015 I also received my copy of Anatomy of a ship HMS Victory. I had borrowed a copy of the book (hard bound) from a friend when I first started the build, but had to return it a while back. So I figured I would buy my own copy (soft cover). thomaslambo and GLakie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted August 6, 2015 Share #126 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) Some of these kits leave something to be desired when it comes to many things, but the rigging plans on my own come right out and say to use my own judgement when it comes to belay points, and to drill extra holes and add pins, and dump more than one line on a pin, but to just try and be logical about it. And in there own words, "It was a judgement call by the Captain, and you're the Captain". As far as the line goes, kit-supplied line isn't very good anyway, and with all of the great work you've already put into this beautiful ship, I'd get better rope, and keep a record of the changes. Cheers Edited August 6, 2015 by GLakie mtdoramike and thomaslambo 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share #127 Posted August 6, 2015 Thanks George, I was thinking of doing a little extrapolating when it comes to the belaying locations. I was thinking of adding a belaying pin rack to each side of the stern. But upon checking the Anatomy of the Ship HMS Victory, it only shows the one belaying rack near the Mizzen mast. I'm not apposed to tying off two lines to one pin if it looks good and makes sense, but more than two is where I draw the line per say hahahahaha. mike GLakie and thomaslambo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaslambo Posted August 6, 2015 Share #128 Posted August 6, 2015 Mike, I hear you on the AL rigging thread, I'm trying to use all the materials supplied in my kit as well. But I'm definitely going to replace most of the thread as it's such a key aspect of the build....right in your face so to speak FYI - I ordered some samples from Syren and I really like the quality. mtdoramike and GLakie 2 Quote Boyd Current Build - HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina - Scale1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share #129 Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Thanks Thomas, I'll have to check out their line of thread and see what they can come close to. I even checked Hobby Lobby, Walmart sewing section in my area and they have nothing that comes close to the sizes that I need in a cotton blend. I have used Constructo and Mamoli rigging thread as well as Model Shipways and like most of their's. mike Edited August 7, 2015 by mtdoramike GLakie and thomaslambo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul0367 Posted August 8, 2015 Share #130 Posted August 8, 2015 That book is the best out there, I am detailing mine from the images in there. Hard back ha ha mtdoramike, thomaslambo and GLakie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share #131 Posted August 9, 2015 I made a bit more progress. GLakie, GuntherMT, Harvey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted August 9, 2015 Share #132 Posted August 9, 2015 That over-all shot of her looks fantastic Mike. You've been doing a splendid job on her.! thomaslambo and mtdoramike 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share #133 Posted August 9, 2015 Thanks for the encouragement George, I needed that because I'm starting to flounder a bit. It usually happens to me when I get to this stage of the build and I wind up needed a little kick in the seat of the pants to continue on. The Library is really anxious to get the model and would really like to get it before the end of the year and would like to plan a big doings before the Christmas Holidays. I will be gone around the middle of Sept to October when we will take a trip to the USVI to visit family there. So the time restraints are closing in hahahahaha. GLakie and thomaslambo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share #134 Posted August 11, 2015 I spent a few more hours on the Vic today. As you can see all the strings hanging from the stay sails, which the rear ones still ned to be ran to their belaying points. It can get a bit confusing with all those lines laying around, but I found it easier to attach all the lines first then start belaying them off one at a time. mike thomaslambo, foxy and GLakie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share #135 Posted August 11, 2015 OK, I had to do a slight modification to the display case. I found that while placing the top plexiglass panel in, it twisted slightly enough that it fell into the display case. Fortunately, it was a dry run and no model was inside the display case at the time. I decided to drill a few holes just below the rabbit that was routed by the factory for the glass panel and then I glued in a few dowels which will act to catch the glass panel if it happens again and keep it from falling on top of the model, which would be devastating and would require a good cry and a slew of expletives. I believe in an ounce of prevention versus a pound of cure. mike GLakie and thomaslambo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted August 12, 2015 Share #136 Posted August 12, 2015 I think I'd join you in a good cry if it would have happened with the ship inside. Good catch on that one Mike. mtdoramike and thomaslambo 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share #137 Posted August 17, 2015 Spent a little time on the Vic over the weekend and yep, I cleaned off my work table. clearway, GLakie and thomaslambo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share #138 Posted August 21, 2015 Bit more work on the Vic the last two days. The Sprits are just about mounted and tied down, then off to the fore's. Have my reference material laid out just in case thomaslambo, GLakie, Senior ole salt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted August 21, 2015 Share #139 Posted August 21, 2015 I like your method of doing all the stays, jibs, and sprits first before hanging the yards, that would undoubtedly get in the way. thomaslambo 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share #140 Posted August 21, 2015 Thanks George, I usually hang all the sails in one section like on the Foremast, I will hang all three sails and run the rigging, before tying anything off. It can get a bit confusing, but it seems to keep me from belaying lines, only to have to go back and rebelay them because they are criscrossed or binding on another line. I hate the looks of binded lines. thomaslambo and GLakie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul0367 Posted August 21, 2015 Share #141 Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Mate she looks beautiful, I want super close ups of all the mast junctions to save me some serious research. Lazy I know but hey what can I say. So so glad you did a dry run on that display cabinet, I just could not imagine what could have been. That said it shouldn't happen really, it's not like the case was a budget one. Edited August 21, 2015 by Paul0367 thomaslambo and GLakie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share #142 Posted August 22, 2015 Hey Paul, your right, but that is one BIG piece of plexi to try and manuver into place. The way to probably avoid it would have been to place the plexi into the grooves of the top and then place the wood framed top onto the cabinet and then screw it down. But, the only way that will work, is you would have to use some type of strap and wrap it completely around the entire cabinet length ways in order to keep the corners from spreading out towards the top of the cabinet and the side plexi from coming out of the grooves. It's one of those where the more hands the better when assembling it. mike thomaslambo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted August 22, 2015 Share #143 Posted August 22, 2015 Sounds like having a set of "cabinet straps" would be a handy thing to have for that case during assembly. They're designed to hold the sides of a cabinet together during glue-up. thomaslambo and mtdoramike 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share #144 Posted August 22, 2015 Yep, they would be a perfect thing to have. GLakie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share #145 Posted August 27, 2015 Heres a few pictures of the rigging and where I'm at right now. mike GLakie and GuntherMT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share #146 Posted August 27, 2015 By the by, the sails on the Foremast hav not been tied down to their belaying points yet. I'm in the process of rigging them first before I start belaying them. Yep I know, confusing isn't it? It looks like a pile of spagetti. mike GLakie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted August 27, 2015 Share #147 Posted August 27, 2015 Those are some nicely sewn sails and the look great hanging on the yards. Do you plan to billow them at all Mike? Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share #148 Posted August 27, 2015 No, no billows to speak of. I have tried in the past to billow sails from using molds to placing in front of large fans and spraying them with hair spray, which gave a hint of a billow, but also turned the sails a brown tinge after a year. I have in the past sewn into the sails a thin wire, which helped to hold the billow once the sail was molded, but that was during the sail making process. These sails came pre-made and a sight better than I could have done with a needle and thread. mike GLakie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share #149 Posted September 7, 2015 here is a bit of an update. GLakie and Seventynet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jparsley Posted September 8, 2015 Share #150 Posted September 8, 2015 she really is lovely did i read that right that this is going to be your last build? such a shame you do such fine work GLakie 1 Quote USF Constellation 1/85 AL Jparsley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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