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In the meantime the proof copy of the English edition of my book has arrived! 
It got really great, I'm very happy! 
"The colour blue in historic shipbuilding - from antiquity to modern times"

 

I am especially happy that David Antscherl supported me as editor. Through his help, this English edition has become particularly good!

 

The publisher now got the release and in 2-3 weeks you can buy this book, either in the bookstores (not from all countries) or directly at my place. 
http://www.modellbau-muellerschoen.de/buch-en.htm
ISBN: 978-3-7494-1988-3

 

 

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Best regards, Joachim

My new Book in ENGLISH and GERMAN available:

"The colour blue in historic shipbuilding"

http://www.modellbau-muellerschoen.de/buch-en.htm

 

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The mizzen sail was finished, lyres attached and the ledges fastened with their thimbles, then the reef ribbon pulled in.
The pictures show the sail from the front and back.

 

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Joachim

My new Book in ENGLISH and GERMAN available:

"The colour blue in historic shipbuilding"

http://www.modellbau-muellerschoen.de/buch-en.htm

 

Current build   Amerigo Vespucci    http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/836-amerigo-vespucci-by-schiffebastler-mantua-model-scale-184-italien-sail-training-ship-build-1931/

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Joachim,

 

So happy that you are again updating posts for this incredibly beautiful build. Your work is indeed superlative. Your 

spar mechanisms for the masts are brilliantly articulated - as are all other details of this project....

If I might suggest - please post a single updated full view of this ship at the At a Glance thread.

It will allow others who may not know of this log to see this amazing build.

 

Home page --Nautical General Discussion   then  At a Glance

 

Cheers,

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

Under the table:

Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

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Hello, Michael,


thank you very much for your kind words. You have always faithfully accompanied my construction report and I am glad that you have seen these updates. I will catch up also in the near future everything.
cheers

 

Joachim

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A beautiful build mate, great attention to detail and accuracy.

I looked at getting this Mantua model, but as my first build i decided to get the Gorch Fock, which was far less complex.

https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/7701-gorch-fock-by-tonyuk-mantua-scale-1-90/&tab=comments#comment-512270

 

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Thank you @TonyUK

is a good decission to start first with another build. The Manta model is not easy to build. At my build only the basis is still Mantua. Some of the equipment, the boats, the whole rig, the sails and many other things are no more Mantua. 

The Mantua model is good, but can be optimized, the boats and the whole rig with sails is too poor and partly wrong. Therefore I had to make my own plans.

Cheers, Joachim

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Now pictures one of the 'simple' staysail. At the Amerigo, a ring is attached to the clew of the staysail, to which the moorings are lashed. But even this relatively simple sail takes time, after all, here are the Liektaue different strengths, must be connected to each other and get in this area a Kleedung. Then the final attachment to the sail is the easiest exercise.

 

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Joachim

 

My new Book in ENGLISH and GERMAN available:

"The colour blue in historic shipbuilding"

http://www.modellbau-muellerschoen.de/buch-en.htm

 

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There is another sail, the jib. It is with the mainsail to the sails, which make a big effort.
Of course, here too, the upper, lower and side mischiefs have different strengths.

Here are the front and rear views at a glance.

 

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At the Schothörnern the Lieken are fastened to a metal fitting. The underlie is bordered along its entire length with a leather strap. Various thimbles (here 2 mm outer diameter) are integrated on the side and the bottom luff.

 

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The side-lobes are connected to the upper lug by means of spliced eyes.

 

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In the upper two reinforcing bands double refractions are included.

 

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As can be seen in the front view and the macro shot, there are a number of Leitungskauschen to guide the Gordings on the front of the sail. With these large sails, these thimbles have an outer diameter of 1.3 mm and decrease on the smaller sails up to 0.8 mm outer diameter.
 

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I do not know if I always find the right English terms, I hope you still understand me.

Cheers, Joachim

 

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Now it may be a little continuation. I had shown the foresail last time, now the remaining sails of the foremast follow today.

A little overview, of course. As you can see in the picture, each sail looks a bit different, but overall they are not as elaborate as the jib itself. All sails have in common that the foot of the leech is originally covered with a leather strap. I have copied this in the model with a thin, painted paper.

 

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Here now only the hunier volant has a retracted reefing line, as there are two of them at the jib.

 

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Now a few details about the sail.

 

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So a bit of a size comparison some details of the smallest of the sails, the royal sail. The links are between 0.35 and 0.45 mm thick, the guide thimbles of the Gordings have an outer diameter of 0.8 mm. 

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Bye Joachim

 

 

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And another step further with the sails. These are now all the staysails, it takes a while, but everything is not as complex as the square sails.

 

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Joachim

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"The colour blue in historic shipbuilding"

http://www.modellbau-muellerschoen.de/buch-en.htm

 

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Here are now all 5 sails of the main mast.
Since these sails are constructed in the same way as those on the foremast, there is nothing new to say. So here are just a few pictures, both from the front and the back of the sails.
 

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Joachim

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Joachim.

 

The detail on these sails is just amazing. Neve seen any sails like them. Are you making the grommets from brass tube? What size?

 

Stunned.

 

Glenn

 

Current Builds

Scottish Maid, V108 Torpedo boat

 

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Snake (Caldercraft)

 

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Hi Glenn,

 

Yes, the grommets are made of brass tube. I use 8 different diameters. The smallest outer diameter is 0.8 mm and the largest is about 3 mm.
The wires used have various diameters, the thinnest wires are 0.3 mm and for a few special things also 0.2 mm.

 

Joachim

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Joachim,

 

As with the other superlative details of your current build, these sails could not possibly be better replicated to scale - than the work that you have done here. Brilliant indeed.

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

Under the table:

Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

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Thank you so much Michael. I'm glad you're stopping by again.

Also many thanks to all the other likes and comments.

 

Joachim

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I am very happy that some of the colleagues who previously followed my build log are now back here. Since I wrote my book for one year and did a lot of research before, this didn't leave much time for the model.

 

Joachim

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The last four sails are ready. These are the smallest of the square sails now, from the mizzen mast. They are also structured according to the same scheme.

 

Finally a group picture with all sails.

 

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In order to estimate the proportions somewhat, I have added a cent. Since the question arose, some information about the sizes of thimbles. The large thimbles on the side of the sails have an outer diameter of 1.8 mm down to 0.8 mm. The large eyelets on the sails have a diameter of 1 mm, the smallest eyelets have an outer diameter of only 0.6 mm. They' re smaller than I wrote in the other post.

 

By the way, until today there are no correct, detailed plans for the AV available. And so I am about to write a book about the rigging of the Amerigo Vespucci, where all my plans and details will be described. 

 

Joachim

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Joachim,

 

Thanks for clarifying the size of the eyelets, though the ones along the head still look smaller than 0.6mm.

 

I have to say that I do not think that I have ever seen sails made to such a level of detail and at 1/84 scale. It makes me wonder how you would do furled sails. I think sails are one of the most challenging parts of any ship model.

 

Glenn

 

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Scottish Maid, V108 Torpedo boat

 

Future Builds

Snake (Caldercraft)

 

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Thank you very much!
Okay, the holes on the headboard are only about 0.2 mm.

 

With the sails I wanted to try out what is possible. Actually it goes quite well, needs a lot of patience and a few little tricks. Next time I will still improve some things, there goes still more.

 

By the way, for my good colleague Dirk (Dubz) I was also allowed to make the sails of his great model Maria. See #403
https://modelshipworld.com/topic/10901-maria-hf31-by-dubz-dusek-172-fishing-ewer-finkenwerderhamburg/page/14/

 

Joachim

 

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  • 2 weeks later...

Now the preparations for the attaching of the sails begin slowly. First of all, I made a few gag slips. 

The pictures have unfortunately become a little bit blurred, but they didn't manage differently, the things are just a little bit small with their 3.5 mm length. 

 

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Joachim

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"The colour blue in historic shipbuilding"

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Next, jib leaders had to be made from 0.4 mm wire. For this I have the wire as in the following pictures to see, bent, cut to length and varnished.

 

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And this is how the ready mounted foresails look like. Head and clew of the sails are fastened with a ring around the stay. Two blocks are attached to each head, the halyard is guided through one of the blocks, the downhaul will later be guided through the second block. The clew is attached to the bowsprit in a slightly different way for each sail.

 

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Joachim

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Joachim,

 

 

Sails & fittings  could not be better scaled - beautiful work

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

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Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

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Thak you very much, Michael, and all the others for the Likes.

 

Joachim

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  • 2 weeks later...

I'd like to get on with a few little things. 

On the one hand, the shrouds have to be fitted with two "leading sticks" (unfortunately don't know the technical term), through which the lines are led from top to bottom along the shrouds. These lines are then attached to nail benches on the sides of the ship. 

 

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On the other hand, some hooks are tied to the shrouds at the bottom, on which excess linen material is then hung. 
 

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I tried to photograph the whole thing from different sides, but since the stuff is quite small again, the pictures didn't turn out so great, but I hope it will be clear anyway.

 

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Cheers,

Joachim

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WOW!   I just caught up with your project,  and I'm absolutely stunned with the detail you've put into the yards and sails :blink:    it's some beautiful workmanship.......very nicely done!  ;) 

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Thank you very much for your kind words. 😊

 

Joachim

My new Book in ENGLISH and GERMAN available:

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Current build   Amerigo Vespucci    http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/836-amerigo-vespucci-by-schiffebastler-mantua-model-scale-184-italien-sail-training-ship-build-1931/

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Thanks to everybody for the likes!

 

In between a few blocks had to be made, then they can later be attached to the yards with the sails. These are only a few blocks of over 1000 pieces.

 

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Joachim

 

My new Book in ENGLISH and GERMAN available:

"The colour blue in historic shipbuilding"

http://www.modellbau-muellerschoen.de/buch-en.htm

 

Current build   Amerigo Vespucci    http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/836-amerigo-vespucci-by-schiffebastler-mantua-model-scale-184-italien-sail-training-ship-build-1931/

See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History:

http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/

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And now the first yard sail, the foresail, is attached to the yard. In order to have it a little easier later with the lines, I have prepared some, especially clew lines and bunt-lines. By the way, a few of the blocks appear there again.

I put here some more pictures, because the general procedure is the same for some more sails.

 

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Joachim

My new Book in ENGLISH and GERMAN available:

"The colour blue in historic shipbuilding"

http://www.modellbau-muellerschoen.de/buch-en.htm

 

Current build   Amerigo Vespucci    http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/836-amerigo-vespucci-by-schiffebastler-mantua-model-scale-184-italien-sail-training-ship-build-1931/

See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History:

http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/

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nice looking sails and blocks  ;) 

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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