kees de mol Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share #61 Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) All the woodwork on the wheelhouse is done now and i guess it will look great after some varnish. I also made a mast. It took a lot of time to find out all the dimensions and how all the rigging was. This week I got some new photo's wich are very helpfull to me. Edited November 9, 2015 by kees de mol mikegerber, Krelis, eh91losc and 13 others 16 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted February 27, 2015 Share #62 Posted February 27, 2015 gonna be a sweet looking helm room! nice technique in cutting out the windows nice fittings on the mast as well.......very well done. Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted February 27, 2015 Share #63 Posted February 27, 2015 Kees, Great work, love the mast. Painted it looks have been made from metal Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share #64 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) The reardeck and wheelhouse are finished now so I post some overall pictures for yoy to see how it's looking now. At this moment I started working on the winchhouse, the mast and the fishingbeams. These are later additions on the ship but they where allready there when my grandfather started to sail with here so I have to build them. It wont be easy because there are no drawings of this later additions and I have not much pictures of it. But with the help of some old fishermen I will make this to a succes. Regards, Kees Edited November 9, 2015 by kees de mol tarbrush, Omega1234, mikegerber and 16 others 19 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 5, 2015 Share #65 Posted March 5, 2015 very nice work Kees.....love the detail you've put into it. well done indeed! kees de mol 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krelis Posted March 5, 2015 Share #66 Posted March 5, 2015 you are doing it again Kees, cant wait for the final product kees de mol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted March 5, 2015 Share #67 Posted March 5, 2015 Very nice work Kees, deck housings and all fiiting out details are beautifuly done, a super model Nils kees de mol 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbrush Posted March 5, 2015 Share #68 Posted March 5, 2015 it looks just amazing Kees, it's a real pleasure to watch your builds! kees de mol 1 Quote John future build: to finish Mary Rose http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8507-mary-rose-by-tarbrush-scale-172-1545/?hl=%2Bmary+%2Brose completed builds: Constructo Steam Launch Louise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share #69 Posted March 5, 2015 Thank you all guys for the replys and all the likes. Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegerber Posted March 6, 2015 Share #70 Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) Hello Kees I want to tell you, that your skills impressing me very - it is very inspiring! ... and I especially like the detail work on all of the fittings and little parts! I'm looking forward to more ... Best Regards! Mike Edited March 6, 2015 by mikegerber kees de mol 1 Quote current scratch build 1:15 Colin Archer - RS14 "Stavanger" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share #71 Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) The last few days I have build the -Portaalmast- (don't know the english word for it) and the fishingbeams. These things were added ten years after the ships birth. Edited November 10, 2015 by kees de mol Omega1234, tadheus, Piet and 11 others 14 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted March 10, 2015 Share #72 Posted March 10, 2015 Just catching up with your progress, Kees. You're doing some beautiful work there - very impressive. John kees de mol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted March 11, 2015 Share #73 Posted March 11, 2015 Fantastic work Kees, looks like steel alright! Cheers, kees de mol 1 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 11, 2015 Share #74 Posted March 11, 2015 quite a bit of detail in there Kees........the assembly looks just super! it's amazing what your gleaning from mere pictures very awesome job indeed! I was looking at your railings again.........made me think of my last visit to the craft store. I saw some 'parts'.......resembled the stanchions you made. I really like the way you put on the cap rail. definitely food for thought kees de mol and Omega1234 2 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share #75 Posted March 17, 2015 Today I finished the frontmast. I lost my camera so almost no pictures of the building but the final pictures show enough I think. It was a lot of work to find out how the rigging and lights in the mast had to be because I had no good pictures of this and it seemed different on any other ship from wich I had photo's. But I think it's done right now. mtaylor, tadheus, IgorSky and 13 others 16 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted March 17, 2015 Share #76 Posted March 17, 2015 excellent Build Kees, I see, you have amoungst other skills developed yourself to a master of modeling in styrene. I have seen this material once in the shop of a professional modelbuilder for shipyard models Very good work Nils kees de mol 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krelis Posted March 17, 2015 Share #77 Posted March 17, 2015 * adding "draaitafel" to wish list* kees de mol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 18, 2015 Share #78 Posted March 18, 2015 super looking masting Kees........really neat how it's put together even without clear pictures, you have good attention to detail...I love It! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbrush Posted March 18, 2015 Share #79 Posted March 18, 2015 your work just amazes me Kees! your build is a real treat to watch. Quote John future build: to finish Mary Rose http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8507-mary-rose-by-tarbrush-scale-172-1545/?hl=%2Bmary+%2Brose completed builds: Constructo Steam Launch Louise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share #80 Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Hello fellow shipbuilders, Thank you for all the comments and for the likes! Man, I like the like-button! Miss it so much on the Dutch forums. Sometimes you dont't know what to say but with the like-button you can always let te author know you appriciate his work and his postings. Today I worked on the trawl gallows. These gallows are placed on starboardside of the deck and they hold a pulley/block trough wich the fishingline runs into the sea. You can imagine how enormous force is exercised on these gallows so they were made from heavy steel and were anchored directly on the ships construction. On this photo you can see the rear gallow with the heavy pulley/block. On the front of the ship there is also a gallow. The nets had two fishingline so the nets stayed open and with the pulleys/blocks the nets were hauled in. And here some photo's of the building. Each trawl gallows containes more than 50 parts plus all the parts that fell on the floor and became unfindable. I hope you enjoy watching and reading my postings. I enjoy reading your topics and I am amazed by the skills you have. Thank you for everything See you with the next updateRegards, Kees Edited November 10, 2015 by kees de mol Oystein, PeteB, cog and 14 others 17 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted March 18, 2015 Share #81 Posted March 18, 2015 Nice touch the guilder/florin. It brings back memories!!! Great detail, very unexpected such clear, and crisp forms. Well done Kees flying_dutchman2 and Piet 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted March 19, 2015 Share #82 Posted March 19, 2015 Fantastic work Kees. If, or when, I'm goin to build the Musi I may just venture into styrene. It resembles steel so much better then wood or paper. I just need to get familiar with this "strange" material, it's so much different from aircraft aluminum Love the pic of the Guilder too, I still have a few as well as a "daalder" and a few other old cons. cog and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 19, 2015 Share #83 Posted March 19, 2015 you certainly are a master in your medium.........they look so real Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share #84 Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Today(saturday) I went for a trip to Amsterdam. Wow I've seen so much, maybe a little to much I felt like being in another part of the world. So much people, so much cultures and nationalitys.But yesterday I had a full shift of building at the attic and I finished the (10 years later added) port side trawl gallow. It looks different than the starboard gallows. And I made a sort of pole with a roll on it. Don't know what its for and how it's called.And the anchor winch wich wasn't really a winch. It has no motor or gearing on it. Just a roll on wich they attached the fishing line. Then the anchor went overboard and it rolled the fishingline on the roll. When they had to lift the anchor they just hauled the fishingline in and the anchor.... well.. I hope you understand my Louis van Gaal english (are there any english people here? They will understand the joke) The winch consists of more than 60 parts and it was very good therapy for me to build it.Regards, Kees Edited March 22, 2015 by kees de mol hexnut, Piet, druxey and 10 others 13 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted March 22, 2015 Share #85 Posted March 22, 2015 Kees, very nicely made Details..... Are These basicly styrene Profile (semi materials) you are using ? Nils kees de mol 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted March 22, 2015 Share #86 Posted March 22, 2015 Right mister plastic wizzard ... fabulous fishing furnishings Would not have expected such quality out of plastic kees de mol 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share #87 Posted March 22, 2015 Are These basicly styrene Profile (semi materials) you are using ? Yes and no. I make the most of the parts out of styren plate 1.0, 0.5 and 0.25 mm. And i use o lot of styrene profiles from different brands. The most commonly known brand is Evergreen and you have Plastruct but it's not very good availlable here in Holland. Building a model of a modern ship is IMHO pretty mutch like building a full scale ship. In full scale they make use of plate-material and a lot of different profiles like tubes, H-beams, angled steel etc etc. In modelbuilding you do the same only with smaller materials and to meet the right scale you have to make a lot of profiles yourself out of plate-material. Regards, Kees popeye the sailor, Mirabell61, Mfelinger and 3 others 6 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 23, 2015 Share #88 Posted March 23, 2015 looking super Kees......when all the sub assemblies are in place on the deck.....it's gonna look great! kees de mol 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kees de mol Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share #89 Posted March 25, 2015 Hello fellow shipbuilders. First I like to tell you I started a blog. Not to replace my activity on this marvelous forum but just to bundle all my building-photo's etc on one place. the blog can be found on http://www.modelfishingships.blogspot.com Please bookmark and share! Now on with the build. I needed new primer and so I went to my local diy-shop where they sell my favourite brand but when I got there... not my primer on the shelf! Bummer... but there was another brand wich promissed to be a very good primer for plastics. When I tested it on a piece of plastic it was ok but when I primed my model this was what came out of it. I was so mad!!!! The wheelhouse was a total mess and ready for the garbagecan. All those hours of work....After crying a bit I managed to remove the ****** paint and now she is nice and shiny in a new coat of primer again. Tomorrow I am going to destroy the faulty can of primer. Dont know how yet but I will find a way. hexnut, tarbrush, mtaylor and 7 others 10 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegerber Posted March 25, 2015 Share #90 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Good evening Kees I just suffered with you, by reading the primer story - fortunately everything looks super again - well done! Mike Edited March 26, 2015 by mikegerber kees de mol 1 Quote current scratch build 1:15 Colin Archer - RS14 "Stavanger" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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