GaryKap Posted January 8, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 8, 2015 A boomkin is defined as a short boom projecting at either side of the bow, used to extend the lower windward corner of the foresail. This is done by passing a tack through a large block at the end of the boom. My question is: were the boomkins permanently attached to the bow, or were they set out when needed and taken down when they were not needed? Or does it depend on the type of ship and the year? I am particularly interested in this relative to the brig FAIR AMERICAN (1778). Any thoughts from you knowledgable forum members? Thanks <<Gary>> Quote current build: SYREN nearly done: Fair American, Benjamin W. Latham future builds: Emma C. Berry completed builds: Rattlesnake, Newsboy, Sultana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryTodd Posted January 8, 2015 Share #2 Posted January 8, 2015 First off - they could be at other places besides the bow, such as very commonly at the quarters for the main brace block. They were set in place with guys (shrouds) to hold them there - permanently. mtaylor 1 Quote Jerry Todd Click to go to that build log Constellation ~ RC sloop of war c.1856 in 1:36 scale Macedonian ~ RC British frigate c.1812 in 1:36 scale Pride of Baltimore ~ RC Baltimore Clipper c.1981 in 1:20 scale Gazela Primeiro ~ RC Barkentine c.1979 in 1:36 scale Naval Guns 1850s~1870s ~ 3D Modeling & Printing My Web Site My Thingiverse stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robnbill Posted January 9, 2015 Share #3 Posted January 9, 2015 The Connie has Boomkins on the bow and over the quarter galleries. Quote Bill Chantilly, VA Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon! Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 9, 2015 Share #4 Posted January 9, 2015 I'm sure about a brig, but ship-rigged vessels of that time period had 'permanent' boomkins. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted January 9, 2015 Share #5 Posted January 9, 2015 I agree they were probably more permanent than not in actual practice, but I why then use a cap square to hold them down onto the false rail rather than a more simple, permanent, means of fixing them in place? Allan Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Vadas Posted January 9, 2015 Share #6 Posted January 9, 2015 why then use a cap square to hold them down onto the false rail rather than a more simple, permanent, means of fixing them in place? Easier to replace when they get damaged? Danny uss frolick and druxey 2 Quote Cheers, Danny ________________________________________________________________________________ Current Build : Forced Retirement from Modelling due to Health Issues Build Logs : Norfolk Sloop HMS Vulture - (TFFM) HMS Vulture Cross-section 18 foot Cutter Concord Stagecoach 18th Century Longboat in a BOTTLE CARD Model Build Logs : Mosel Sydney Opera House (Schreiber-Bogen) WWII Mk. IX Spitfire (Halinski) Rolls Royce Merlin Engine Cape Byron Lighthouse (HMV) Stug 40 (Halinski) Yamaha MT-01 Yamaha YA-1 HMS Hood (Halinski) Bismarck (GPM) IJN Amatsukaze 1940 Destroyer (Halinski) HMVS Cerberus Mi24D Hind (Halinski) Bulgar Steam Locomotive - (Modelik) Tanker and Beer Wagons (Modelik) Flat Bed Wagon (Modelik) Peterbuilt Semi Trailer Fender Guitar Restorations for Others : King of the Mississippi HMS Victory Gallery : Norfolk Sloop, HMAT Supply, HMS Bounty, HMS Victory, Charles W. Morgan, 18' Cutter for HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture Cross-section, 18th Century Longboat in a Bottle Other Previous Builds : Le Mirage, Norske Love, King of the Mississippi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryKap Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted January 10, 2015 Thank you to Jerry, Bill, Druxey,Allen, and Danny for your information. OK, so the boomkins were permanently attached, and held with cap squares on the false rails. But how were they attached to the hull of the ship? Were they stepped into sockets like the masts, or attached with some kind of iron fixture, or somehow else? Or do we know...? <<Gary>> Quote current build: SYREN nearly done: Fair American, Benjamin W. Latham future builds: Emma C. Berry completed builds: Rattlesnake, Newsboy, Sultana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted January 10, 2015 Share #8 Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) Gary: I have read that their inboard ends bolted right into the knightheads. Others will know better, but that is how I have seen it in plans and models. Russ Edited January 12, 2015 by russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 12, 2015 Share #9 Posted January 12, 2015 Russ is correct in most cases, but some contemporary models show a shallow socket attached to the bow planking. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryKap Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted January 12, 2015 Russ and Druxey - Thank you for your helpful responses to my questions. I think I have the picture now. Your input is appreciated. <<Gary>> Quote current build: SYREN nearly done: Fair American, Benjamin W. Latham future builds: Emma C. Berry completed builds: Rattlesnake, Newsboy, Sultana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadeusz43 Posted January 13, 2015 Share #11 Posted January 13, 2015 Hi, In book “The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War 1625-1860“ by James Lees is shown history of boomkins development. Foto shown HMS Victory boomkins. Inboard part attached to the bow bits. 2,3. Outboard part and rigging Tadeusz GaryKap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryKap Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share #12 Posted January 13, 2015 Tadeusz - Thank you for taking the time to research this and to share it with the forum. Your information is excellent and will certainly help me and other forum members to correctly model the boomkins on our vessels. <<Gary>> p.s. I visited your beautiful city of Gdansk in 2010 and remember a nice old square rigger in Gdynia harbor. Quote current build: SYREN nearly done: Fair American, Benjamin W. Latham future builds: Emma C. Berry completed builds: Rattlesnake, Newsboy, Sultana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Beez Posted January 5, 2022 Share #13 Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) On 1/8/2015 at 5:36 PM, GaryKap said: A boomkin is defined as a short boom projecting at either side of the bow, used to extend the lower windward corner of the foresail. This is done by passing a tack through a large block at the end of the boom. Thanks for this old post. I was wondering what the yellow spars on my bow were. Though I may need to paint them black or brown. Edited January 5, 2022 by Admiral Beez mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Gregg Posted May 31, 2022 Share #14 Posted May 31, 2022 If anybody is still alive posting on this topic, I address you... It appears nobody answered the initial question, which was "Boomkin, Bumkin, Bumpkin..." For instance you mention it hanging off the bow; no mention of when it is hanging off the stern, for a backstay, or any mention of which spelling (bum, bump, boomkin) is correct usage? Any reply appreciated. On my Falmouth Cutter (circa 1902) I always referred to my stern fixture as a bumpkin, so which is it? Edit by moderator to remove email so you don't get spammed to death. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted May 31, 2022 Share #15 Posted May 31, 2022 Taylor, Welcome to MSW 😁 Never, and I mean NEVER, post your email address. I am sure a moderator will remove it for you, but if you see this soon, go to edit and remove it to avoid unwanted spam. If you research some contemporary contracts you will likely get the spelling for that era. One example from a contract from an earlier time, October 14, 1808 for the HMS Astrea. Spelling and grammar are as found in the contract. To fix Bumpkins for the Fore Tack, cut Holes for the Gammoning, and to finish the Head with Timbers, Gratings, Seats and Fenders, all compleat, in the handsomest Manner, and equal to Ships of her Class built in His Majesty’s Yards. Allan mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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