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Question about Apostle San Felipe - OcCre Model 14000
Bill Jackson replied to Bill Jackson's topic in Wood ship model kits
Sadly... I agree with you Jan.(((( -
Question about Apostle San Felipe - OcCre Model 14000
Bill Jackson replied to Bill Jackson's topic in Wood ship model kits
Thank you for your reply. My research shows that there were 5 different ships named San Felipe from 1570 - 1800. When I emailed OcCre I was very specific to help insure there was no confusion. Anyway, thanks for your comment. Happy building Bill -
I find my self confused again guys and gals. I did my research and purchased the Apostle San Felipe galleon kit . I compared the dimentions, number of cannons etc construction info and found that the kit has the same dimentions and armerment as the research indicated. I also found that there were a number of galleons named San Felipe throughout the 15th, 16th and 17th cneturies. But only one was built as part of the12 Apolstle group back in 1589 and launched in 1590. So the dimentions on the box (1:60), and the name on the box all fit the Apostle San Felipe (1690-1596). I met a person on another site that said I was wrong and that the galleon in the kit was no way the one I thought it was ; that it was built.much later. So I contacted the company OcCre. They said the model kit was built from info taken from a 1700 San Felipe. But during that period all the galleons built named San Felipe were larger and carried many more cannons. WHAT DO YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THIS SITUATION?
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I will poke around some. BTW is served on CG-10 (Albany)
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Thanks for your comments Doc. I think I'm going to give it a try; that is cutting the masts to the proper size. From what you guys have said so far, it seems that this incorrect mast size is a norm rather than an exception. Anderson's books are good but I wish he had more info on Spanish galleons. Thanks again Bill
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Greg thank your opinion. I have to agree with you. But correcting their lengths is a major undertaking indeed. I am using RC Anderson's book and a few others. If I keep my nose in the correct time period, I should be ok. My current time period is late 1500's and the galleon is Spanish. Maybe I will take a leap of faith and try it. Baguio in the 70s was great! Now the traffic makes traveling around the city a task! But iys still a beautiful place. Bill
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Hi guy, I am working on the San Felipe galleon and I find I am thinking in circles. The masts length according to the instructions are wrong compaired with the many books I have as reference material. The masts instructions show masts that are 40 to 50 mm too long. Of course you know I try to keep my models true to the time period etc. So just putting the mast up with the wrong lengths kinda make me ill. But if I chqnge the lengths I will also have to change the sail sizes and a number of other things too. YOU OPINIONS PLEASE!! Bill
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I also am in agreement. I have found 2 parts of this galleon already that should not have been on the galleon back in 1590. Each step I take has to be verified by research. Steven and Peter in my opinion, you guys are right on the mark! Bill
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Thanks guys for your response. I agree with everything said. But what about the doors and windows? They are what brought into question the autheticity of the gold color stern brackets. For sure the doors and windows would not have been gilded!??? I am not a fan of photo-eching. I just question their (OcCre) use of gold color. Bill
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Hi All, I am a person who tries to represent the Spanish Galleons models that I build as realistic as possible. Having spent 20 years at sea, I am well aware what salt water does to paint. Therefore, when I do a build, I try to finish my galleons with colors and stains etc. that show wear and the effects of salt water over months of sailing. My current build is the Apostol San Felipe (1559). The instructions show the stern support brackets as being Gold! (See below) This is my problem. While I know galleons of this era did use real gold in some areas it does not seem feasable that support brackets would be real gold, and I dont think at that time they know how to create gold paint. Maybe I am wrong, but from what I have read, the paint in that era was really bad. Meaning it didn't last and the same color varied greatly between ships. QUESTION: Am I wrong in my thinking that stern support brackets would never be gold in color on real Galleons? Your opinions please.. Bill
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Hello All, I am in the process of building the San Felipe (16th century) galleon and the kit comes with Photo-etched doors and windows. I want to replace them with realistic looking wood-type looking doors and windows. Does anyone know of a company that sells them? Modelers Central sells doors, but not windows.
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Guys unfortunately I will have to go with the plywood that came with the kit. I remembered one essential fact during our discussion... I am not a carpenter! Which means I dont have the expertese that you guys have to cut out the pieces for the keel etc. I am 40 years old with 33 years experience, so my time has passed learning how to be a carpenter.) Thanks Bill
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Thank you Jaager. The kit came with plywood that has "simulated" oak wood covering. Your comments indicate that real oak has too large of pores for a ratio of 1: 60. So I am stuck with basswood or plywood.((((
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Thank you Allen. I have also read that oak and pine woods were used in combination for European built Spanish galleons. And later on they were difficult to acquire. Hwre in the Philippines they used the local hardwood Mojave. I guess I have a choice of oak or pine since I am building the San Felipe and it was built in Spain. Thanks again Bill
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Hi All, Does anyone know what wood was used to make keels for Spanish Galleons made in Europe during the 1600's? Bill
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OUTSTANDING Mini Drill
Bill Jackson replied to Bill Jackson's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
Thanks for your comments guys. I just used it for my trannail deck work. Worked great for me. But then I am not a carpenter. Thanks again Bill -
Guys, This drill is a piece of artwork that works great, looks great, and comes complete! It ain't cheap, but it worth every penny. I highly recommend it! Bill
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Rigging of Knighthead How?
Bill Jackson replied to Bill Jackson's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
This is what I ended up doing. Using Bob's numbering system 1 to 3, left to right. I put line 1 coming directly from the top mast halliard to one sleeve on the knighthead. I attached line 2 to the eyebolt, and line 3 also to a sleeve on the knighthead. See attached. And thanks for your inputs guys. Bill
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Rigging of Knighthead How?
Bill Jackson replied to Bill Jackson's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Guys I just search through "The Rigging of Ships" by Anderson. I can see the sleeves in the knightheads but all of Anderson's pic examples are 17th century. They come close to what I need, but still too new. The pic here is a 16th century example. -
Rigging of Knighthead How?
Bill Jackson replied to Bill Jackson's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Well Im glad to see I am not the only one who has questions about knightheads. Here is a pic of the main topsail yard rigging I plan attach to the knighthead directly under the main mast. There are 3 ropes to be connected. On the knighthead there are 2 areas to run rope through, one above the other; and 1 eyebolt on one side. Which rope goes where? My thoughts are that one of the lowest ropes coming from the lower block goes to the eyebolt. And the other 2 ropes go through the opening in the knighthead and get tied down.
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Hi all, I have searched my library for the proper rigging of 16th century galleon knightheads. Specifically, Spanish galleon knightheads. Can anyone point my nose in the right direction to find how to? Bill
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Thanks for your response and link. I will take Jeff's recommendation and covert 4 wheel carriages to 2 wheel carriages. Sure wish these manufactures would start paying attention...
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That is correct. The 2 wheel carriages were used on Spanish galleons until around 1642 or so. Other countries had already changed to 4 wheel carriages. The problem is where can I buy the carriages I need? All I see are 4 wheel types.
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Hi All, Once again I come to the forum for help. Where can I purchase 2-wheel 16th century cannon carriages? I have checked the usual suppliers, but I can't find the 2 wheeled carriages. Can anyone advise? Bill
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Thanks Jan I will look for their works.
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