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This practice seems quite common in 19 century. Googling RN ironclads, I can find this feature on virtually every photograph. Again, this points to the connection with harbor work, since technology back then only permitts static photoshot.
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At last, this painting of Lord Anson's arrival at Spithead with Prizes After May 3 1747 Cape Finisterre Action by John Christian Schetky (1778-1875), shows unequivocally the bights as the fall of the yardarm tackle, though this is not quite seaman like...
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Once again, I come across the lovely bight...
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http://archive.hnsa.org/doc/steel/index.htm, this is the early version of the famous textbook. It seems there's nowhere else to find it. As I can recall, someone had mentioned in passing this edition in a reply to the debate on the royal sails...
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According to Steel, cringles of the head earings are formed by the surplus leech rope turn back and spliced into itself.
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On the real ship, the leech & foot is encircled by one boltrope (the portion along the leech is called the leechrope, so is the "footrope"), leaving the head to be lined by a headrope of smaller circumference than the leech+foot rope. The headcringle is formed by splicing the two together, though the specific method of splcing, I cannot recall...
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My guess is: this "waist belt" is improvized from other ropes, for example, the T'gllant halyard
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Harland said this is not retained ever since the introduction of reefing, since the leechline will have less and less advantageous lead with each reef. But on the other hand, he did mention the "old" method of furling topsail as a "T" is followed well into 18 century. However, Harland also told that the throat of the T is formed by canvas restricted by the leechline. Both points can be verified by many comteporary paintings, when setting topsail, there's no leechline, while it is furled in T.
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Johnh and GLakie, Many thanks, I'm concerning the real ship only. The last illustration posed by Johnh has shown clearly what I need. Actually, I am looking for necessary details for my planned technical fiction (in Chinese) on seamanship, construction and fighting tactics of sailing men-o-war . In China, there's scarsely any serious work on Western fighting sails, despite a recent heating-up of this topic, by virtue of foreign games and series. The games and series seem to care nothing about the historical reality, while errors are frequently made in the seemingly professional ship- modeling in China. So it is necessary to let more lovers of sailing warships to tuch the hisrotical truth. But to avoid composing a boring technical note, I choose to write a series of short fictions around real or fancied figures
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Anyone know the exact way to rig the mast tackle in tightening up the deadeye lanyards? It seems most sources leave this detail to the readers' guesswork... Would the lanyard be round-seized with the fall of the tackle?
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Hi, Force 9, I'm a littile confused... Do you mean "burton", then following your description, it seems before lower shrouds are set taut, the topmast must already be in position. Is this the standard sequence of assemblying the mast... (I really haven't come across any authority explaining plaintly this point)? Or perhas it is just the fore or main tackles you are talking about...
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Canute, It looks like my guess may actually hold some ground. It is known the yard arm tackles are rigged, together with burton tackles, to shift out boats I will find out the exact way of rigging yard arm tackles to "out boats" and back to my topic later.
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Oops, I mistake your rank for name...(the bar with your name incidentlly scrolled out of the screen...) Maybe the artists don't have a good knowledge of the trade, so merely have illustrated what they have seen in their own understanding.
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Hi moderator: On this I cannnot fully agree... In fact, the first drawing is from National Maritime Museum's booklet of ship history, according to the accampanying text, the two are east-Indianmen firing salute to the barge in the foreground, while entering their mooring. The second clearly depicts an RN 74's using flag signal to identify a frigate to the right. With the lower guns not ran out, the British seem not to expect an all-out confrontation... The last is Nelson's in-shore squadron blockading Cadiz, in this it may be expected the ships are kept ready for action.
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I agree, if these really are yardarm tackles, then this is not quite seaman-like practice. But currently I can find no more other possibilities, normally nothing is left loose in bights, Harland did had mentioned standing lifts, but lower yards are only lowered in exceptional conditions, so this item seems unlikely to be rigged.
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Introduction of royal yards to the Royal Navy
cardely replied to Mark P's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
These are English translation of Jean Boundriot's 74-gun ship in 4 volumes, published some 3 decades ago, although not out of print, now only availible from UK, the accompanying pictures are awosome, the descriptions are to the last detail. ISBN vol 1: 2-903178-14-3; vol 2: 2-903178-15-1; vol 3 2-903178-16-X; vol 4 odered, en route to China. If you want to save money, I have the electronic version of first 3 vol., you can leave an e-mail address, I will create a private link for you from my netdisk, but I cannot guarantee free access from abroad China... -
What are these tackles? My guess is yardarm tackle, since they are rigged regardless of the loosing or furling of sails, and all the scenes depicted are near the shore, but I have not encounted any text mentioning the yard arm tackle's hanging in a long bight, so cannot confirm. Besides, on the last one, all the fore course seem to have two leechlines, but it is not likely to be so, this seems strange.
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Introduction of royal yards to the Royal Navy
cardely replied to Mark P's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Hello there, I have come across several sources emphasizing the lag of what was authorized behind the contemporary practice. As I can recall, Harland's Seaman ship, the "Line of battle" in Conway's history of ship, and Henderson's "Frigate", and a PhD treatise called "frigate captains of Royal navy 1793-1815" (downloaded for free from google), all have mentioned or indicated the use of royals years before formal authorization by RN, particularlly by frigate captains commanding detached forces out of the supervision of their commodores. Also, in "Rigging of period ship models" a 36-gun frigate of 1785 is with simple royals (witj no clewlines) on all three. But this book clearly dipects an idealized model, with sails both over and under the bowsprit... Similarly, in the "74 gun ship", it is plainly stated the only reason to include the bowsprit in the text is that it is established by the navy, although in reality it had fallen out of the comtemporary use. So it is really up to one's own choice, as long as he has good reason to believe it. -
Having difficulty in identifying this pair of tackles
cardely replied to cardely's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
A very small one, the Queensland maritime museum, on the south bank of Brisbane river. This museum is dedicated to its true treasure----a river class frigate in dry dock, so there's really no much sightseeing for one aiming for sailing ship. The models on display are, of course, Captain Cook's Endeavour, Bligh's Bounty, and its hunter Pandora. Ohter relevant items are navigation instruments, a sailor's locker filled with small arms, edged weapons and slop-like rags, rope and sail making tools. Really nothing else is worth noting, but they have many fine models under restoration, from Sovereign of the sea to cutty sark, and their official website states that they have a plan to build an exclusive section for sailing ships. -
Having difficulty in identifying this pair of tackles
cardely replied to cardely's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Thank you, I have missed out this possibility, this model does display a pair of rigged top rope! -
Thanks...such a simple layout.
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ATT. The attached is a museum model of HMS Pandora. These tackles seem to be the pendant of some ropes from the top. Are these the lower lifts? or "Jeer-ties"? All the others on the lower yard seem to have no tackle.
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This maybe due to the great China Firewall, I cannot tunnel throu without a premium VPN.
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Thank you! But it seems there's no preview, I will add this book to my wishing list...
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