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English fleets and small vessels in the early 1700s
Dan DSilva replied to Dan DSilva's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Are the single-masted yachts technically hoys? -
English fleets and small vessels in the early 1700s
Dan DSilva replied to Dan DSilva's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Thanks, I'll take a look! -
English fleets and small vessels in the early 1700s
Dan DSilva replied to Dan DSilva's topic in Nautical/Naval History
I'm not sure... the boats look very similar, but the first painting is supposed to be at Calais and the second "in the Thames Estuary near Sheerness." Did I miss something in the file descriptions? -
English fleets and small vessels in the early 1700s
Dan DSilva replied to Dan DSilva's topic in Nautical/Naval History
I'm finding that a lot of ships of the kind in the paintings are referred to as royal yachts, but I don't know whether at that time that could describe a physical type or just its role. Royal Museums Greenwich says that they were normally ketch-rigged, so one with a single mast may have been privately owned and not a royal yacht. As for use, HMY Fubbs served in the Mediterranean several times during the War of the Spanish Succession; Mary was deployed to the Baltic in 1700, and William and Mary fought in the Battle of Malaga in 1704. So yeah, this kind of vessel was being sent a fair distance abroad and serving in battle fleets. -
Hello! I recently started on this sloop without having given proper thought to the place I wanted it to occupy in my collection and whether it was right for the period. So that's possibly some time lost. After consideration, I have the notion of eventually doing a few ships from a fleet or squadron from around 1700-1705, but I'd like to start relatively small and simple. A lot of paintings from the late 1600s-early 1700s show decked, armed, single-masted boats that look to be about as big as Bermuda sloops, like here and here, but I'm having trouble finding information about them. Would you see these little guys, or any vessels in that size range, accompanying men-of-war out at sea? If so, do you know where I can learn more about them? Also, are there any good general resources about the typical composition of English fleets when they were away from home at that time, with numbers of different warships and auxiliary vessels?
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So, here's what I've wound up with: Scientific Bounty in approximately 1:120 scale. Got it cheap on eBay because it was partly assembled and there's a few missing or damaged pieces, though I don't think anything that can't be easily replaced. Also could use upgrades on top of modifications -- it doesn't even come with sails, for one. But I think it's an okay start.
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Good catch; the reason I ask about common scales is because of course the Pequod isn't the only ship in the book, so if it winds up being 1:110 then maybe I'll get a Revell Morgan to sit alongside it on the shelf as the Rachel or something.
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Thank you. A solid hull sounds like it'd be more suitable for a beginner. The Constructo 1:110 Bounty looks nice, if there are any available by the time I have enough money saved up, but I will look into a simpler learner's model in the meanwhile.
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The New Bedford Whaling Museum replied. The Curator of Maritime History says that "claw-footed" means ship-rigged and sent some period illustrations. On the whole I think my idea about their appearance (smallish full-rigged ships with curved decks and partially closed bulwarks) being in the same vein as the Bounty isn't far off. Probably any small bluff-bowed three-master from that period would make an acceptable starting point. By the way, is any scale smaller than 1:100 particularly common for sailing ships, like how 20th-century warships are common in 1:350, 1:700, 1:1250, etc.?
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Thank you. I'm e-mailing NHA right now and I'll look into the other two as well.
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I recently had the idea to build my own Pequod out of a modified kit, and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on which one to start with. I'm looking for a small wood kit. According to the novel, the Pequod is "rather small," "claw-footed," and more than 50 years old at a time "some years" before 1851. I don't know what "claw-footed" means, but I take it to have been built around the 1770s-1780s and be somewhat short of 100 feet overall. So do you know of anything suitable? The only 18th-century whaleship I've found on the market is Occre's Essex, which, although appropriate in more ways than one, is a lot larger than I have shelf or work space for. The other idea I had was to start with an HMS Bounty, which would mean buying or fabricating a lot of extra parts (which I'm willing to do -- if I have to).
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Thanks. That's something I hadn't thought of. FWIW, I had planned on this taking a long time, and I have some woodworking experience (although probably little or none pertinent to model-building). I'll start in the wood model forum then.
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I'm interested in making a wood model. I've assembled a lot of plastic kits, but this would be the first real wooden one I've done. So you recommend that, after background research, I start by asking for a kit recommendation in Wood model ship kits and then ask about the other topics in the appropriate subforums as they come up?
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Hello, I'm seeking advice about a plan I have for the near future which involves heavily modifying a factory kit. My questions range from which model to choose, to which aftermarket accessories to add, how to fabricate parts, and which paints and finishes to use. Could you recommend to me which subforum(s) I should ask in? Thank you.
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