Endeavour by Ellie_ - Amati - 1:80

[Ellie_]

I chose this kit because I figured it would be a good beginner’s kit and I think the boat is beautiful. Since this is my very first model, I’ve been following the kit’s directions closely and mostly using the supplies that came with the kit. I’m looking forward to learning tips from the community along the way. Here are some steps I got through before finding this site. 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm now on the first planking and very much welcome tips. One of the questions I have at this point is about glueing planks. I’ve been using the wood glue that came with the kit, and had to use a bit of superglue for the two most recent planks over the stern. For wood glue I’ve read it should set for about 12-24 hours before fiddling with the project again, so I’ve only been planking one layer at a time and then letting it sit for a day with binder clips and rubber bands. Is there a faster way to do this? Is it typical to only add one layer of planks per day?

 

 

 

For the stern, the instructions seemed to suggest the planks should end about halfway up the stern section, which is what I did. Seeing others’ build logs though, some folks left the entire stern section for a separate planking. Curious what the advantages/disadvantages are of either approach. 

 

 

 

The bow. Before finding this community I was feeling pretty good about my planking in the bow section, but after looking through others’ photos I’m wondering if I overlooked a technique here. I had the planks meet each other perfectly in the center, and I’m now realizing leaves a gap down the center. Should I switch to overlapping the planks at the end the rest of the way so there’s no gap, or keep going this way so it’s consistent? Trying to visualize how this might affect the second planking. 

 

 

 

Excited to continue with the first planking. Planning to carefully stumble through it and learn a lot along the way. 

 

[TerryPat]

Ok.. I'm up to speed now that I found your log. Excellent work !

[Ellie_]

1 minute ago, TerryPat said:

Ok.. I'm up to speed now that I found your log. Excellent work !

Thank you Terry! 

[TerryPat]

As far as the gaps at the bow.. You'll likely use the second planking so you can fix the gaps in the first planking with filler. Then be a little more precise with second planking which I find is a little easier than the first planking. And even 2nd planking you might use filler on if you're going to paint the entire hull. I overlapped the planks at the bow and sanded them to a point

Edited 13 hours ago by TerryPat

[TerryPat]

You can see the overlap I did in my build log.

Looks like you're having fun.. Yay!!!

[Ellie_]

16 minutes ago, TerryPat said:

As far as the gaps at the bow.. You'll likely use the second planking so you can fix the gaps in the first planking with filler. Then be a little more precise with second planking which I find is a little easier than the first planking. And even 2nd planking you might use filler on if you're going to paint the entire hull. I overlapped the planks at the bow and sanded them to a point

Got it - I may try that the rest of the way down. Glad filler exists. Thanks  

[TerryPat]

It gets a little weird planking the keel. It kind of fattens up, maybe to simulate keel weights. You can see I haven't finished that are even though I'm doing second planking. Filler has been my friend there

 

[Ellie_]

6 hours ago, TerryPat said:

It gets a little weird planking the keel. It kind of fattens up, maybe to simulate keel weights. You can see I haven't finished that are even though I'm doing second planking. Filler has been my friend there

 

I'll be excited to see how you approach it. The second planking looks beautiful!

6 hours ago, TerryPat said:

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Ellie_

[Geordie Tyne]

First of all, You are off to a great start.

 

If you go to the header at the top of the page, you can find some useful articles on planking. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Ellie_ said:

Is there a faster way to do this? Is it typical to only add one layer of planks per day?

Some people will use CA glue as it can be faster. I have seen good results in build logs from people using them.

 

I use PVA as I like to have a bit more time to fix a possible mistake with placing my planks. Also I have found it easier to correct mistakes using a brush and warm water to remove planks that are not sitting right. 

 

With regards to the typical time - I would say in my limited experience it is typical. I normally will lay a band of planks and then work on some deck items while I wait for them to dry. 

 

Regards

 

[TerryPat]

 

I use this on everything. I use super glue once in a while because it can be a lifesaver. I can't stand the smell of super glue. Makes me want to hurl! Lol

This wood glue sets relatively fast. No.. I never let a plank dry overnight using this stuff. After about 2 or three minutes I'm ready to move to another plank. I rarely use clamps on a plank..I simply hold it down for a minute or two til the glue sets. Yes, it's that fast. I move on to another plank. I get a lot done in a session.

Are you glueing the plank edges as well as the bulkhead points?

Edited 11 hours ago by TerryPat

[Ronald-V]

Good start Ellie! That's a nice hull shape to plank for a first ship  

 

Regarding the PVA (wood glue)...there are quite some brands that require less waiting time, like for example TerryPat is sharing.

I use the blue Pattex D3 and that one is within 10 mins pretty dry and workable, UHU is also a good one. Do look for a water resistant one, that's handy if you are

laying soaked planks on top of it (or something in that matter)

[TerryPat]

Regarding your question about the stern planking. The instructions have you do separate planking over the stern for both first and second planking in sort of a fan out type of arrangement. Why they do that and the advantage? I can only guess it's the easiest method in their view. Since the instructions suggest to paint the entire hull it doesn't really matter because you can use filler to get everything smooth. One could ask, why even bother with the second planking if you're going to fill and paint? Beats me.. lol

I want to leave the second planking natural for my build so I did the stern section in a method I think looks better since the planking will be seen. I'll probably paint below the waterline and leave above natural walnut. I'm not interested in accuracy to the original. I simply love the lines of the ship. 

I know that was a long winded answer.. sorry. Hope it helps

[RVB]

7 hours ago, Ellie_ said:

I chose this kit because I figured it would be a good beginner’s kit and I think the boat is beautiful. Since this is my very first model, I’ve been following the kit’s directions closely and mostly using the supplies that came with the kit. I’m looking forward to learning tips from the community along the way. Here are some steps I got through before finding this site. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm now on the first planking and very much welcome tips. One of the questions I have at this point is about glueing planks. I’ve been using the wood glue that came with the kit, and had to use a bit of superglue for the two most recent planks over the stern. For wood glue I’ve read it should set for about 12-24 hours before fiddling with the project again, so I’ve only been planking one layer at a time and then letting it sit for a day with binder clips and rubber bands. Is there a faster way to do this? Is it typical to only add one layer of planks per day?

 

 

 

For the stern, the instructions seemed to suggest the planks should end about halfway up the stern section, which is what I did. Seeing others’ build logs though, some folks left the entire stern section for a separate planking. Curious what the advantages/disadvantages are of either approach. 

 

 

 

The bow. Before finding this community I was feeling pretty good about my planking in the bow section, but after looking through others’ photos I’m wondering if I overlooked a technique here. I had the planks meet each other perfectly in the center, and I’m now realizing leaves a gap down the center. Should I switch to overlapping the planks at the end the rest of the way so there’s no gap, or keep going this way so it’s consistent? Trying to visualize how this might affect the second planking. 

 

 

 

Excited to continue with the first planking. Planning to carefully stumble through it and learn a lot along the way. 

 

Ellie that gap can easily be filled with a wood strip and modeling paste or just modeling paste you can get at Michaels. I my opinion it’s far better and cheaper as a filler than Model Lite  or Plastic Wood. It also doesn’t have an obnoxious smell and it hardens and sands great. Modeling paste can also be sculptured. The planking looks great. As Terry said with filler and if you are planning on painting the hull I see no need to do a second planking unless you want the practice. Filler and paint can work miracles   My father always said “ a little plaster and a little paint can make things look like what they ain’t. 

Best Rick

Edited 6 hours ago by RVB

[Ellie_]

6 hours ago, Geordie Tyne said:

First of all, You are off to a great start.

 

If you go to the header at the top of the page, you can find some useful articles on planking. 

 

 

Some people will use CA glue as it can be faster. I have seen good results in build logs from people using them.

 

I use PVA as I like to have a bit more time to fix a possible mistake with placing my planks. Also I have found it easier to correct mistakes using a brush and warm water to remove planks that are not sitting right. 

 

With regards to the typical time - I would say in my limited experience it is typical. I normally will lay a band of planks and then work on some deck items while I wait for them to dry. 

 

Regards

 

 

Thank you Geordie! I'll do some exploring through the article database. I'm hoping to find the basic strategies somewhere. 

 

And good to know about the different types of glue - I'm sure both types come in handy. Thanks for the recommendations!

[Ellie_]

5 hours ago, Ronald-V said:

Good start Ellie! That's a nice hull shape to plank for a first ship  

 

Regarding the PVA (wood glue)...there are quite some brands that require less waiting time, like for example TerryPat is sharing.

I use the blue Pattex D3 and that one is within 10 mins pretty dry and workable, UHU is also a good one. Do look for a water resistant one, that's handy if you are

laying soaked planks on top of it (or something in that matter)

 

Thanks so much  I didn't even think about water resistance. Good tip

[Ellie_]

5 hours ago, TerryPat said:

I use this on everything. I use super glue once in a while because it can be a lifesaver. I can't stand the smell of super glue. Makes me want to hurl! Lol

This wood glue sets relatively fast. No.. I never let a plank dry overnight using this stuff. After about 2 or three minutes I'm ready to move to another plank. I rarely use clamps on a plank..I simply hold it down for a minute or two til the glue sets. Yes, it's that fast. I move on to another plank. I get a lot done in a session.

Are you glueing the plank edges as well as the bulkhead points?

 

Terry, just got a bottle to try it out this weekend! Sounds like it could be a game changer. I am glueing the plank edges and the bulkhead points! 

[Ellie_]

19 minutes ago, RVB said:

Ellie that gap can easily be filled with a wood strip and modeling paste or just modeling paste you can get at Michaels. It hardens and sands great. Modeling paste can also be sculptured. The planking looks great. 
Best Rick

Ahh thank you! Great tip  

[Ellie_]

1 hour ago, TerryPat said:

Regarding your question about the stern planking. The instructions have you do separate planking over the stern for both first and second planking in sort of a fan out type of arrangement. Why they do that and the advantage? I can only guess it's the easiest method in their view. Since the instructions suggest to paint the entire hull it doesn't really matter because you can use filler to get everything smooth. One could ask, why even bother with the second planking if you're going to fill and paint? Beats me.. lol

I want to leave the second planking natural for my build so I did the stern section in a method I think looks better since the planking will be seen. I'll probably paint below the waterline and leave above natural walnut. I'm not interested in accuracy to the original. I simply love the lines of the ship. 

I know that was a long winded answer.. sorry. Hope it helps

 

The way you did your stern is beautiful Terry. Excited to see what you choose for painting. John Gummersall's unpainted Endeavour is gorgeous. For me it'll come down to how tidy I can be with the second planking... I'd love to leave some or most of the natural walnut if I can!