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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Nolens volens, the überlauf (overloop) had to be done now. In the Dutch fashion, as many other parts of the structure.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Main capstan, pumps, popular at the time „Turks' heads” and some other outside ornaments (not shown here). In some places it gets really crowded.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Due to the only one possible place for the fish-davit and its aperture, the fore gun ports had to be rearranged. Many other rigging-related fixtures, although inconspicuous in the images, were also made: kevels, pinrails, fixed blocks.
In this type of reconstruction, at least 90% of the drawing time is consumed by various changes, corrections and fine-tuning.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
The not-so-obviously shaped rudder with its iron fittings.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
One more...
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Many thanks Peter for your kind words.
I took a break from drawing for a while. So no new elements, just playing with the Navy Board style for this model. Perhaps you will like it too. On the 3D model everything is tidy, but in reality the look of the framing would be closer to a mess.
Note the removable part of the waistcloth frame close to the main hatch in the waist, making it easier to board the vessel.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Finished, hopefully, external details of the hull not related to rigging: scuppers and less important but conspicuous details – gun port wreaths, balcony ribs, etc.
More and more I think of it as a ship of a new just emerging class – the frigate.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Many thanks guys for the likes and comments...
In the quest for speed and weatherliness, the ship was designed with extremely narrow proportions for a warship. The length-to-width ratio is as high as 4,62:1. If highly built with extensive upperworks or multiple decks, she could have capsized, as happened to the 'Vasa' for precisely this reason. Fortunately, the king did not interfere with the ship's design in this case.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
More details have been added: catheads with its supports, gun port lids, chesstree, window and cargo port aft, channels.
First-person view of roughly maximum effective range of artillery fire:
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
With the exception of the lion and perhaps a few other fellows, the beakhead can be considered finished.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Almost done.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Thank you very much Scrubby.
Well, yes and no. Only scanty data on the actual ship survives (but happily more on other ships of the fleet). There is, however, abundant material when it comes to background information. Archaeological, iconographic and written sources were used for this reconstruction: Venetian, Portuguese, Spanish, French, Dutch, English, Danish and Swedish. All of these proved useful.
As a result, the ship can be considered a more or less typical man-of-war of the Baltic area.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Basic structure of the beakhead.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Ye dredded reer ormanents stryke yette agayn (making forum server down for two days). In the meantime...
... the final lines of the stern taking shape. I have modified the internal structure slightly (not shown here) in order to lay a row of planks under balcony lengthwise rather than across as was originally intended.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Modellers won't be happy. Each bracket has a different curvature, as - in fact - all parts of the balcony do.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Time for the stern gallery. In progress. The iconography suggests that only the two largest ships had balconies and other vessels had none.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Thank you for this comment Lieste. To make the matter hopefully simpler, I have already prepared a graphic for my soon-to-be-published paper on the fleet's artillery. Shown here are the most typical samples mentioned in both extant inventories. In black are cast- and wrought-iron guns, and in bronze are, of course, bronze guns 🙂. All drawings are based on real surviving artillery pieces.
Most interesting are surely assault/hail-shot type guns. They could be large or small, carriage or swivel, bronze or iron (be it cast- or wrought-iron), chambered or not, muzzle- or breech-loaded, conical or cylindrical bored. Larger specimens would be referred to in English as cannon-perriers.
As an aside, four large (meaning carriage) Polish bronze assault/hail-shot guns such as depicted below, called at the time „stone guns”, because they used before to shoot stone missiles, were issued to the 'Vasa' in 1628.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Almost forgot ... beakhead bulkhead.
Not all gun ports were used at one time and the guns were moved from port to port and from side to side. The ship was never fully armed during her service anyway – seven pieces were missing out of the maximum possible number of 36 cannons.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
... done, at least the prototype version.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
... working on bulkheads.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Still, I much prefer your guesses to someone else's firm opinions. Thanks, Ab.
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Ondras71 reacted to Ab Hoving in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
You are right, they look red. My guess would be rust, but who am I?
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Thanks a lot. Your fine 3D pinas was also an inspiration for this project 🙂.
The ship's bow looks somewhat sharper indeed, because nearly maximum stempost rake was chosen, within limits allowed by contemporary works on shipbuilding, and in fact considered at the time proper for purpose-built warships.
Ab, please take a look at the selection of paintings below. All of them show more or less red coloured anchors. The issue is maybe not the most important indeed, I was just curious, and I have not found any explanation on this phenomenon heretofore.
Cornelis Verbeeck, A Naval Encounter between Dutch and Spanish Warships, 1618-1620
Adam Willaerts, Gibraltar 1607, 1639
Cornelis Wieringen, Gibraltar 1607, ca. 1621
Hendrik Vroom, The Arrival of Elector Frederick V of the Palatinate and Elizabeth Stuart, 1623
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Ondras71 reacted to Ab Hoving in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Yes, the ship remembers in many ways the Vasa, but also has characteristics of its own. I understand your priorities very well, I was surprised to see the progress you made in a relatively short time. It took Rene Hendrickx and me almost four years to work out every part of Witsen's pinas, so you are very fast indeed. Your bow shape is not very blunt, compared to the fluits I've seen. Looks good for a man-of-war.
Your question about anchors is a tough one. I never read anything about painting anchors, but I would not be surprised if they were tarred. And of course (as wood tar is not completely waterproof) rust grabs its chance. For all safety I usually make my anchors black (or actually very dark brown- Van Dijk's Brown) and clutter them with red to mark unprotected rusty spots. But nothing is really sure. Are you certain about this observation that they were red on paintings? If they were, they certainly were not painted that way, we should have found amounts of red paints in inventory lists.
Good luck with this Beautiful project.
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Ondras71 reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Many thanks, Ab! Your word and opinion counts double.
You must have already noticed, that the ship's structure quite closely follows Dutch practices, which I assume also apply to the northern part of the continent. Even the shape of the bow, which I have made very full for a number of reasons, could be easily formed using the shell (bottom-first) method, although geometry of the whole underwater body is a synthesis of the known pre-designed frames procedures.
For now I have to give priority to the external, visible parts of the ship (deadline!), because the first model is to be made by plank-on-bulkhead method. I intend to deal with carlings/ledges for other decks later.
And, while you are here – do you know why anchors are red in so many contemporary paintings? Were they painted? Or simply corroded?
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