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Backstay deadeyes fastening on deck
Michelnou replied to Michelnou's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Finally I will replace backstays deadeyes with blocks. These blocks will be rope stropped to allow the fixing with deck's eyepins. Mike -
On my Baltimore schooner (around 1810) I contemplate to bound backstays to deck by means of deadeyes. Knowing that I have already eyepins glueded in the deck, what is the best method to fasten the bottom deadeye to the eyepin ? With rope or wire ? Thank for advices Mike
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I own the book of Howard Chapelle, it is why the hull, that I have painted gloss white 30 years ago, is now mat dark blue with the upper white band. I had finished walnut masts and spars whith gloss varnish. I realize now that it was a mistake. It is why I consider to sand masts and spars and then apply matt colorless oil. Is it a good idea ? Thanks Mike
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I have started the building of a Baltimore clipper (1800-1840) ship model many years ago. Now I take it again and it seems to me that I didn't always make the good finishing choices. It seems to me that I have too much used shiny varnish on some inboard wood components. Before rigging I wish, if possible, to correct these choices. That is the reason why I should know which were the regular finishing look and colors applied on the masts, the spars and the bulwark on such a ship. I imagine that it could be colorless products (oil, varnish, etc...), colored paints or not any product which were used on these surfaces. I thank you for your advices. Mike
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Gaff sails and backstay rigging rules
Michelnou replied to Michelnou's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
I thank you for these informations. In fact, I must clarify the features of the ship. She is a Baltimore clipper, built about 1780-1820. This schooner was not a big ship : deck length about 65 feet, 2 masts with gaff sails, 2 square sails with 3 yards on fore mast , bowsprit and jibs, racked masts, flush deck, 6 guns and a "Long Tom", certainly designed for a small crew. The model's plans seem to be drawed with a scale about 1/45. Mike -
Gaff sails and backstay rigging rules
Michelnou replied to Michelnou's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
From a practical point of view, can you specify the blocks used to build the tackle, that is to say the deck's block and the upper block (single or double or else). I imagine that the deck's block is fastened to an eyepin glued in the deck. Thank you Mike -
Sailboats including gaff sails like schooners, clippers or brigs require free space behind the masts to allow booms and gaffs to move on each side without hitting obstacles. Yet, it is necessary to apply forces with ropes, on the masts, towards the stern to secure their fixing and position. That is why I am looking for the backstay rigging rules, for these particular ships, which can allow both the mechanical support of the mast and the free moving of gaff and boom. I suppose that these rules will broach, - the height, in relation to the deck, of the link between mast and backstay, - and either the angle between the backstay and the mast, either the maximal distance between the mast and the tie of the stay on the deck. I thank you to provide to me knowledge on this particular subject. Mike
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Thank you for these informations. However, concerning cloth's choosing, I have difficulty in believing that XIX ship's builder selected transparent sail's fabrics. Reasons are that salt atmosphere is not favourable for any materials and that winds could be very strong. Mike
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Thank you for the advices. Concerning the stay or backstay tackles, I think of doing the next schematic diagram with two double blocks. Is it OK Mike
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Popeyetosea, Beginners can ask amazing questions, it's normal... If you could answer to my june 1 post, that will help me for some rigging points of detail. Concerning rigging threads diameters, I use now the informations given by Biddlecombe at the end of his book "The art of rigging". Very useful. See you soon Mike
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Thanks for all. About the mast's collars, there are none available in the kit's box. I am expected tu add them on the masts. I make them with rope and glue. Is it the right method ? About the level of the topsail yard lift blocks I had put them above the foremast cap, at 0,60 time the cap to uppermost collar distance. When I write piton, it is similar to eyepin. These deadeyes are they the same than those used for shrouds ? This block is it a single or double to make backstay tackle ? Wood hearts could they be used to attach different front stays on bowsprit elements ? About the shrouds and stays diameters, your reasoning is right, but do you think honestly that ship builders took into account the different strengths depending of the mast's height to differentiate rope diameters ? I have at my disposal in dark colors 0,90 and 0,50 mm. In natural color I have 0,75, 0,65 and 0,30 mm. About shrouds, which diameter for laniards ? To finish with yards rigging, the "classical" rule require halyard+lifts+braces+ parrel elements. Knowing that I have fitted the yards with an "opened yoke", and that I wish to reduce aloft rigging, I consider to apply the set-up below , Lower yard : halyard+lifts+braces+ parrel Topsail yard : halyard+lifts+braces Topgallant yard : halyard+braces What is your opinion about this rigging for a Baltimore topsail schooner knowing that, in my opinion, it is not an exact science and that there is certainly not just the right configuration. Take care Mike
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Thanks for all. I appreciate that some good Guys focus on Mantua rigging plan which can product nightmares. I am less alone ! Henry, can you advise me (using the plan) about the lift block levels (on fore top-mast) for top-sail yard lift and top-gallant yard lift ? Same question for halyard block levels for these two yards ? I have put Lower yard halyard static block on trestletrees, is it the right level ? I agree with you about attaching points level for topgallant backstay and topgallant stay. It would be the same level. Concerning the attaching method of "Backstays" on the deck, the kit Mantua designer has put brass piton on each side (P and T). What is the right method to attach the ropes to these pitons ? Must I use the same rope diameter (0,85 mm) for stays, backstays and shrouds ? Which rope diameter for halyards, lifts and braces (knowing that I have took 1/50 scale) ? Have a nice day Mike
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It is clearer. - I note that the parrels are not quoted. - In the case where I should have Halyard and Lifts, can you tell me for which element the block level is the highest on the fore-mast ? I have sometimes difficulties with English expressions and nautical terms meaning, so : - I suppose that this sentence concern halyard and lifts. What do you mean by "to be lead over the fore stay" ? - Do you mean that braces line must be belayed near the stern ? - Sorry, but which are precisely the spars and sails concerned by "the topsail spar and sail" ? - I enclose the plan of my kit (which contains several errors) to make easier our exchanges. Popeye2sea : I have clearly noted that for the top-gallant yard, the lifts are not essential. Mike
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Thank you again for these heated ideas on our subject. But with all these informations, sometimes contradictory, it becomes difficult for me to decide which options to choose... Especially, I still do not know if, assuming a light rigging on a topsail schooner, concerning top-gallant-yard and top-sail-yard on fore-mast, the halyard duplicates or not the lifts. In which case, only one of them would be retained. Maybe that, for safety reasons, it is reasonable to fly setting the top-gallant-yard only (to quickly take off the sail). Mike
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Thank you for your post. My ship model is a topsail schooner with one top on the main mast and one top on the foremast. Your "Light rigging" description is it also valid for this Schooner's family ? Mike
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This layout is far from the rules that one can read in the books describing Rigging... In this case without lifts, I wonder how the yard could be horizontal. And I who believed that lifts could substitute halyard... Mike
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