Dave Sculley

Hello gents!  I have enjoyed this thread But just a few historical comments about the Alliance.  First, she did not in fact mount those larger guns ordered by Jones.  Those were carried as cargo by Capt. Barry on a subsequent return trip in company with the ship Marquis de .Lafayette.  Alliance continued to carry 12 and 9-pounders through the entire war.

Alliance was builtby Wm. Hackett and his cousin John Hackett in then Salisbury MA.  Wm may have consulted ondesign of Hancock built downriver at Newburyportm but the Hacketts didnot build her.   The Raleigh was built in Portsmouth New Hampshire by John's brother (Wm's cousin) James Hackett. The Essex was designed by William Hackett.

On 9/25/2015 at 10:13 AM, CharlieZardoz said:

Ok so I got "American ships of the Colonial and Revolutionary Periods" by John F Millar and have to say there are some very interesting conjectural draughts in this book.  I scanned a few based on the original list made in this post, the Warren, Trumbull and the Alliance.  While the first two are pretty much just slightly altered versions of the class ship they belong to (Trumbull a Virginia type and Warren a Randolph type), his Alliance is in my opinion sort of a stretched out Raleigh and takes a bit of creative license. His reasoning is that she was built in the same yard as Raleigh by the same builders only a year later but looks very little like the Confederacy (wouldn't they have used the same builders plans?).  For each conjecture he mentions the methodology he used and while it's all a stab in the dark with some educated guesses it's nice at least that someone took the time to put this resource together and I enjoyed looking through all the ships regardless. What do y'all think? 

Just a historical correction; Alliance and Raleigh were built in different yards.  Raleigh was built in John Langods shipyard and designed by James Hackett who later designed and built Ranger.  Alliance was built at Salisbury Point MA by William Hackett, James first cousin.