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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Rightly so, Marc, and this is shown quite extensively by period iconography. For example, like this image below. But of course, the decisive factor here was the set of sails listed in detail in the 1629 fleet inventory, which I have already referred to above. Not a single ship of the fleet has a mizzen topsail, some have main topgallant, and some have spritsail topsail.
Men o’ war outside the coast with a city and a fort beyond by Cornelis Verbeeck, circa 1625–30
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Final shots showing the colour guide for modellers.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
I was reminded of the words of Xerxes and Leonidas:
– Our arrows will cover the sun.
– Then we will fight in the shade.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Vexillology for some is the least important issue, for others the most important. To be sure, a little more about this.
According to the 1629 notarial fleet inventory, the admiral ship had the following set of flags:
(a) „Zwo grosse flaggen, darunter eine Schwedische ...” (Swedish flag; for admiral ship only),
(b) „... Die Andere mit dem Königl. Poln. Schwedisch[en] Wapen” (Royal Polish-Swedish Standard; for admiral ship only),
(c) „Ein bluttfahne” (war flag/bloody flag; for admiral ship only),
(d) „Ein flögel” (a vane; used on both flagships and non-flagships),
(e) „Zwo kleine alte flaggen” (common flags; for both flagships and non-flagships),
(f) „Zwen grosse Topstenders mit buchstaben” (broad pennants; for flagships only),
(g) „Ein klein Topstender” (smaller pennant; for flagships only).
Except small pennant, all of these flags are shown below on the St George 1627. Non-flagships were clearly not entitled to most of these flags.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Flags, naturally. And here I have the presumably attractive information that the model of this ship can be built in two variants, also as the King David (the 'sister' ship of the St George), under the imperial colours and the overall command of Wallenstein, the general-captain of the imperial fleet on sea and land. For more on this, see the work Vergessene Flotten. Flotten und Flottenbaupläne im Heiligen Römischen Reich deutscher Nation vom 15. Jahrhundert bis 1632 by Karl Frick. Here, only that the entire fleet was (irretrievably) hired out in exchange for, among other things, the imperial modern infantry, which helped a great deal to halt hostilities in the region at least.
For this the lower stern relief needs to be accordingly replaced, as well as the artillery set (for which written details are known). All other 'details' are, or may be the same.
View of Wismar harbour, base of the Imperial Fleet (third decade of the 17th century)
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
...very true.
And the last warrior, meaning the last sculpture in the 'official' version of the ship's plan.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Thank you very much Montaigne. It would have been difficult to explain it more clearly, and I read it with interest myself 🙂.
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While the royal coat of arms on the stern has all the heraldic elements (i.e. the emblems of the two kingdoms, Poland-Lithuania and Sweden, and the emblem of the ruling house; all of these on three different levels), then the figurehead beast just holds in its paws only the symbol of the reigning Vasa dynasty. By coincidence, or rather by the course of history, this symbolism is identical to that of the Vasa 1628 ship.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
@Metaspace
Roman, thank you very much. I will treat this question as rhetorical, otherwise I would have to tell the story of half my life. If you're going to start, my advice is not to put it off, as it's a long and bumpy road.
@Martes
This was supposed to be an asymmetrical composition, but you're absolutely right, it came out overly asymmetrical due to my initial reluctance to include the practically obligatory pile of bones seen in most period paintings. I have made the appropriate adjustment and now compositionally it does indeed look much better. I have also added a few other elements and the design of the stern decorations can be considered complete.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Only the last-minute arrival of the cavalry saved the lady from misfortune.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Due to dynastic issues, the royal coat of arms of this period was a quite complicated affair.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
With Martes' active help some of the ship's decorations are being made, but only such a model of the stern lantern was available at the lantern booth in 1627 fair, and modellers today will be rather unhappy. Then again, neither are my computer's processors and fans.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
The rigging can be considered finished unless someone points out an anachronism worth improving (one side shown). There is little time left for this, as only the decoration needs to be designed now.
Bowsprit rigging in all its 'glory' (i.e. both sides shown):
And this render found its way here quite by accident:
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Bowlines and Martnets.
Mysterious martnets deserve more commentary because the configuration shown here, reconstructed by me on the basis of period iconography, was used here for the first time. With regard to this item, other modern historical reconstructions of ships' rigging (including the Vasa rigging reconstruction), were usually based on an unsatisfactory, not to say incorrect, interpretation of R.C. Anderson presented in his otherwise excellent as a whole work The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast, 1600–1720.
My interpretation of the martnets configuration, shown below, is first and foremost consistent with the iconography, is functional, can be simplified or elaborated as required, and can be flexibly modified, e.g. by lengthening or shortening pendants or by using different blocks (e.g. two single blocks instead of one double block at the stay, or a direct connection/combination of a dead block/euphroe with a single sheaved block).
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rybakov reacted to Martes in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
The ropes are thin and likely look something like that from a distance, but in this post:
https://modelshipworld.com/topic/31638-„święty-jerzy”-„sankt-georg”-1627-–-reconstructing-an-opponent-of-„vasa”/?do=findComment&comment=975528
they looked more or less all right. I suppose you have to have some kind of world background for the ropes to show normally, since the very last pictures displays the ropes that are shown against the sails and those that are not differently:
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Thanks Martes, however, that's down to the software developers rather than me. I just select the shots. The rigging from greater distances is quite ungrateful to render clearly and I'm trying various possibilities, as below, with clew lines added in the meantime. If you have any suggestions in this regard, please put them forward, of course.
I would only add that this rather archaic appearance of the rigging as a whole is as much as possible intentional. Again, only one side shown.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
All sheets and tacks (only one side shown). While my home laptop is probably no more powerful than NASA's hardware, it can still handle a file of about 600 MB.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Thank you and please be patient. Now just a quick demonstration of the effects. On the two-dimensional renders it may not be so visible, but all the blocks have the correct position and orientation in relation to the run of the ropes.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
All braces completed. Only one side shown.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
All the lifts including the combined lifts-sheets done. Only one side shown.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Halyards, ties, parrels, slings...
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
@Montaigne
Went the easy way and simply PM sent you a Rhino 7 file with this block. The hook itself (its larger end with an elliptical cross-section) was connected to the iron strop of the block (with a rectangular cross-section) with the "Blend Surface" command (very useful in such situations). Basically a trivial thing in a technical sense, but there was a bit of trying on getting the right shape. Anyway, as you surely know, you can play with the shapes as you wish, provided, of course, it is about regular geometry, as opposed to broken, bent, heavily corroded or otherwise geometrically damaged items.
And also a photograph of one of the original specimens (you will never guess from which ship 🙂). From the excellent and so much useful work by Nathaniel Howe, The Rigging and Gun Tackle Blocks of the Swedish Royal Warship Vasa, 2011.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Montaigne, your conclusion in the last sentence is particularly pertinent and I like it very much.
Regarding the specific ways used in Rhino to design a particular details, you can of course ask and so far I always managed to answer. Apart from a few organic decorative objects, all elements of the model are created with NURBS graphics. This is not only because I haven't yet had time to learn how to use SubD effectively, but mainly because this way I have tight control over dimensions and tolerances, right down to the last digit after the decimal point (in my case the document tolerance is 0.001 feet). This ensures that all the pieces fit together within this tolerance, that is so desperately needed, for example, in Boolean operations, one could say – one of the main pillars of this project.
Admittedly, I've been short of time lately because the deadline is looming, but if needed I will certainly try to clarify at least any issues that can be explained relatively quickly.
Taking this opportunity, below are some more renders for this stage of the project (30-Year's War figurine showing the scale by Captain_Ahab_62, Thingiverse).
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Standing and semi-standing rigging. In its entirety.
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rybakov reacted to Waldemar in „Święty Jerzy” („Sankt Georg”) 1627 – reconstructing an opponent of „Vasa”
Blocks. Meaning ship blocks. Not to a uniform scale.
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