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Waldemar replied to Martes's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Pleasant to look at. In my (albeit rather amateurish in this very field) opinion, these renders are all very appealing, and I find the rendering of the water surface and sky particularly convincing, and at the same time providing atmosphere. As for the ‘technical’ details, this is the first time I have seen a regular cargo truck on the deck of an aircraft carrier. But all in all, this is quite reasonable, given the nature of the activities and the size of these behemoths... -
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Waldemar replied to Waldemar's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Conceptual frames The longitudinal position of the structural group of pre-assembled frames defined at the same time the position of the three main conceptual frames — master frame, fore quarter frame and aft quarter frame. In this way, that the position of the master frame fell in the middle of this group and both quarter frames at its extremities (see diagram). As a result, the position of the master frame is correspondingly set back from the pre-determined position of the actual middle line of the entire length of the hull. For perfect geometry, the run of the decks must also be adjusted accordingly, bringing it into line with the new position of the ‘middle’ of the hull. In passing, it may also be added that the length of the structural keel (without the vertical scarfs connecting it to the adjacent components of the keel assembly) has already been determined symmetrically to the new position of the ‘middle’ of the hull, i.e. to the position of the conceptual master frame. The structural keel, relative to the design keel, is shorter at its aft end by the length of the heel piece and, in contrast, slightly longer at its fore end, by encompassing the stem post in its design/geometric sense (see diagram). -
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Waldemar replied to Waldemar's topic in Nautical/Naval History
The diagram shown above is almost self explanatory and in principle does not require any extensive comments. It contains the basic design assumptions necessary for the subsequent stages of the ship's hull design. At this first stage, the design sequence for this vessel would look more or less like this: — the length of the hull (between the posts) was set at 40 cubits, or their equivalent of 80 feet, — this length was then divided into eight equal parts of 5 cubits (10 feet) each, — the sum of the two rakes, fore and aft, was set to 3/8 of the length of the hull, in a mutual ratio of 2 : 1, leaving 5/8 of the length of the hull for the keel, — the position of the master frame is half the length of the hull, just behind the middle line (see diagram), — the group of so-called pre-assembled frames includes a total of 14 sub assemblies, for which 1/4 of the length of the hull was provided, asymmetrically in respect to the middle line (see diagram), — the garboard strakes, integrated into the keel, occupy 4/5 of the keel length, starting from the beginning of the keel, — the number, height and rise of the decks, fairly standard for the era, have a direct effect on the height of the two posts, as well as on the angle of the sternpost. -
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Waldemar replied to Waldemar's topic in Nautical/Naval History
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Waldemar replied to Robska's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Admittedly, I'm not quite sure what the term ‘on top of the current hull form’ means , however, the issue of applying the hull planking thickness is so trivial that it doesn't even need an explanatory diagram. Simply increase the thickness of the existing surface (now zero thickness) to one and a half inches, towards the outside of the hull. This will result in two surfaces parallel to each other, one and a half inches apart, enclosing the volume of the planking. Notwithstanding, it may still be worth showing the suggested run of planking at the bow. In fact, due to its rather peculiar shape, it would not have been possible (or extremely hard) to plank this yacht in any particularly different fashion anyway. Or, at the least, in the shown manner of planking the hull surface, edge bending of the planking boards (in the real, full size construction) would be reduced to a minimum. Oh, and also perhaps that the transom flat (at the stern) is on the outside of the planking, opposite to the rest. -
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Waldemar replied to Robska's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
That's fine. It gives me some relief, particularly in view of future such conversions, that the matter has been cleared up. Then there is the issue that I did not write about in the private message. I have defined the hull surface inside planking, and for your convenience the width of the keel assembly follows the inner rabbet lines, which effectively have always a diminishing width, especially towards the stern end. In this way, in the provided 3D model, the keel and hull surface edges coincide. This is quite a suitable configuration for a variant where you will not be adding thickness of the planking — you can simply leave it as it is now, and you have ready-made 3D models of both elements. However, if you decide to add thickness of the planking, remember that you should then make a new keel assembly. I have contrived it in the way to make the job as easy as possible for you — it is enough to make new, replacement keel assembly of uniform width over its entire length. This width should be the same as the greatest width of the current keel. For the thickness of the planking, I have provided one and a half inches. The uncertainty of your decision in this matter is also the reason why I wrote that you will have to optionally redefine some extra elements in the 3D model provided. Good luck! -
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Waldemar replied to Waldemar's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Indeed, the difficulty in understanding is not helpful probably in any venture. And it's nice that you also seek some help here . -
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Waldemar replied to Waldemar's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Am I misunderstanding something? As, dos, tres doesn't sound like a long ship to me. -
Paviljoensjacht 1733 | Blender
Waldemar replied to Robska's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
I was a little concerned about your comment regarding possible typological errors in the 3D model mesh I provided to you, which was obtained by preceding automatic conversion from NURBS-type geometry. Therefore, in order to avoid possible faults of this kind in the future, I asked an expert in mesh geometry modelling to find and point out to me any errors in this mesh. Here is his assessment: It definitely is an automatically generated mesh, but it appears as perfect as such mesh can be, I see nothing wrong with this model, nor any trace of manual corrections. -
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Waldemar replied to Waldemar's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Thank you, @Doreltomin. Interesting and erudite posts are always welcome . -
Waldemar reacted to a post in a topic: Iberian (Basque) Atlantic Whaler ca. 1550 — as, dos, tres…
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Waldemar replied to Waldemar's topic in Nautical/Naval History
The general proportions (as, dos, tres) do indeed correspond to what is usually referred to as nao or carrack, but already the way the hull shapes are formed is more universal and was employed for a variety of vessel types of a very different proportions. In fact, it is most suitable for long galley-type vessels. As a curiosity I will also say that the length-to-width ratio of this ship at the height of the waterline is only about 2.8 : 1, and apparently these vessels were able to cross the ocean successfully and in both directions . Thanks precisely to these quite pointed hull lines. However, at the expense of payload capacity... -
Paviljoensjacht 1733 | Blender
Waldemar replied to Robska's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
The transom timbers at the stern and the wales at the side are essentially pieces of wood independent of each other, but are usually put at the same height so that they can be firmly connected to each other using a knees inside the hull. This is quite important for the structural integrity of the whole vessel. Later it occurred to me that maybe others might also want to play with this 3D model of the yacht in some way. Without any restrictions. The model is in the form of a mesh and is saved in OBJ format, so that it can be imported into 3D programs that support just meshes (as opposed to NURBS type elements). Paviljoensjacht 1733.obj -
Although the extremely important wreck of a mid-16th century seagoing ship built in the Basque region of Spain has already been studied in great detail and presented to the public in the comprehensive, multi-volume monograph The Underwater Archaeology Red Bay. Basque Shipbuilding and Whaling in the 16th Century, published by Parcs Canada in 2007, nevertheless, the following presentation will not be a repetition of the material contained therein, but rather to complement certain omissions or even a different interpretation of this archaeological find. In a nutshell, the aim of this exercise is to recreate and present the method of designing a ship in terms of its geometrical conception, an issue that is fundamental to naval architecture and yet so little understood today for the early modern period. Somewhat retrospectively, it can already be said that the Red Bay Vessel is an example of the then classic proportion as, dos, tres (breadth : keel length : total length = 1 : 2 : 3), recommended by authors of numerous works of the period, and applied in this particular case in a very literal, astonishingly precise manner. Apart from the main proportions of the ship, no less important from the point of view of the history of naval architecture is the method used to form the shape of the hull, and taking into account its specific details. In this ship, one of the widespread Mediterranean methods of hull forming was used, which, nota bene, was also adopted at about this time in England, and was still used there in its generic form in the first decades of the 17th century, before being creatively developed into the more sophisticated ways generally referred to today as English moulding. Archaeological model of the wreck of San Juan, the Basque whaling ship, scale 1:10 (Parcs Canada) Shapes of the ship's hull reproduced by applying the found method of designing the vessel: In addition to the monograph of the wreck itself, which may be not available to everyone, much interesting material regarding the hull structure of the shipwreck can also be found in the provided below publication by Robert Grenier, The Basque whaling ship from Red Bay, 2001 (public domain). Grenier Robert - The basque whaling ship from Red Bay - 2001.pdf
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