harvey1847

Hello all!
 
Thank you Joe! I´ll keep the pics coming... After the milestone It´s been completed the thing is getting more complex and more exciting. The worst thing,,, my "mom´s camera" It takes awful shots.
 
Now I´m dealing with the hawse pieces. The Sart Board ones are completed but not faired. <----Here´s the tricki part!!! (fairing them)
 
I have make a symetrical patterns for the Port Side. There here are. I´ll wait to put the pics of the hawse timber cause I want to pepared some kind of practicum about them. Maybe it sounds pretty ambicious but I´ll try it and the work has to be completed. Taking lots of pics to explain the proccess, don´t worry.
 
I have "converted" all the pdf´s but I am only using the bollard timber and the HT from 1 to 4.
 
UPDATED 01/12/2013. Here are the new plans. They are a little bit bigger (about 0.3mm) but are much more better than the old ones. The frame #6 is not here. It´s so small piece that is going to be done on porpuse to the model.
 
bollardtimber@48-1_sym.pdf
 
Hawsetimber@48-1_sym.pdf
 
Hawsetimber@48-2_sym.pdf
 
Hawsetimber@48-3_sym.pdf
 
Hawsetimber@48-4_sym.pdf
 
Hawsetimber@48-5_sym.pdf
 
 
 
Best wishes and happy Sunday.
 
 
Daniel.

Hello All!
 
At last Saint Fryday! a whole weekend to spend modelling...
 
A small update. The keelson. When I remove the Triton from the jig, even all that pine chocks between the frames, was quite weak. Indeed I broke some of them trying to simulate the movement I should do with a sand block.
 
I put the keelson to strength the hull. From now on I have a good central "line" of wood and I can start adding the thick stuff in the inside. The inside is allready faired. I also cut yesterday the mighty hawse pieces. I´ll give them a try today. Finger cross.
 
Here are some pics...
 
 
 

 
I had to bevel a little bit the stern keelson to be able to fit it between the aft frames. The gap there was pretty narow.
 

 

 

 
Best wishes!
 
 
daniel.

Hello All!
 
I have finished the drafting of the lower deck. I´ve used AOS HMS Diana to “inspire” me. I have done two versions, one with carlings in the middle of the horizontal axis (“X”) and another one with none. I think It looks stronger the V_01 version. I guess would be easier to do version two with no ledges in the middle. Do not know what to do. What do you think?!
 
The pdf´s are non-scaled. When I´ll take the decision I´ll attach them on 1:48 as I did before with the fore and aft plattforms.
 
I have omitted all the cabins. I´ll draw them this weekend. I was much more excited about the structure of the deck than the final fittings. That´s why I have not detailed the hatches frames or the ladderways.
 
 
lower deck V_02_ok.pdf
 
 
Waiting for your answers or suggestions,,,
 
 
Daniel.

Hello Boys and Girls!!
 
 
I have finally been able to set all the square frames from #19 to the one before the fore cant frames. In the last post they all were set but not with the spacers. It has taken me three days to put all that little pieces of deadwood on the keel and the top platform. It has been really fun. The ones on the upper wood are already glued. Different widths but all measuring 35mm. I glued them putting the PVA on the wood with a little brush, not to the little piece of timber. I removed immediately all the excess with a wet brush. The ones on the keel are glued with “scholar stick” that red one so well Known. I will remove all this chocks on the keel because…
 
Some poor pics.  (updated, no more skipe around!!)
 
 
 
 
 
 
As you can see I have not glued the gripe and the fore pieces. I have to bevel it. I will glue it at the end sanding at the same time the keel and the gripe.
 

 
 
There is a lot of gaps between the frames and the top board so I will glue them to the keel first. With rubber bands I will tight them to the platform and glue a timber on the top of the frame. Back to post #9.
 

 
Next step, the fore cant frames. It only took me two years and three months to get here…and here they are (updated)
 

 
 
Best wishes to all.
 
Daniel.
 

Hello all, lots of things arround have push me out a little bit from the hobby but we are all back an safe.
 
I have inaugurate my new workshop. No more dust in the living room! My wife is quite happy now, my kids kind of sad...They love all the machines and the sound of them. Anyway Here´s where I am at.
 
After marked the cuts on the keel pieces I started to make the scarfs. The best results were with the firs picture.
 
 
 
I had lots of fun chiseling out the wood from piece #5.
 

 
I thought that was to be quite difficult to make but with patience it came out quite nice. Here´s the result.
 

 
I did not start from a square timber. I cut the different pieces from timber using the scroll saw. There´s small diferents between the pieces so I do not Know if I´ll have to re-do the whole thing. We´ll see.
 
Pete, here is a pic of the tool I used for the joist. Mine is other brand but yes is a hand hewed. Excellent tool.
 

 
Hope to post more in a while...
 
 
Daniel.
 
 
 
 
 

Hello All!
 
Small progress has been done during this week. Lots of party days, Saint Joseph, Saint Patrick and now the Easter ahead. To much kids arround and too less time to enjoy the hobby.
 
Anyway, I´ve completed the apron. First I cut the pieces as always from 8mm thick cherry timber. I´m using only cherry for the frames, keel, stern and stem. I´ll use some more wood but from time to time.
 

 
Here is the order I followed gluing the different pieces. I have used again a glass surface to ensure the flatness of the pieces.
 

 
Here is the result. I´m nut ungluing the paper patterns by the moment. In the other side I will use tracing paper again as I did cutting the steps on the stern. (See post # 3)
 

 
Here is all the set. I have to fair a lot the whole thing. I am quite scared about how to sand the bow and the damn rabbet. How I miss the "Stickies" posts that used to be in the old MSW 1.0 snif snif...
 

 
Best wishes to all and Happy Easter!
 
 
Daniel.

And the thing is completed!! HU HA! (Chimo Bayo)
 

 
Using a piece of glass has been very useful to ensure the whole piece is flat. I took it from a trash bin on the street. It´s amazing what we trash. I guess is this market economy we all live in. I did my way. (Frank Sinatra)
 
I have glued first all the #3 chocks, then I glued the #2 mainpiece to the #5 bobstay, then #1 + #1 gripes and then the whole thing. I have to repeat the #4 piece. Do not Know why but it does not fit. More scrap pieces!!
 
 

 
 
                                                  
 
Good Night!
 
 
Daniel.

Hello all and thanks ! (We are just four or five... )
 
I have stolen a little time just to cut the parts of the stem. My intention is to glue all the four pieces #3 together and then sand and fair them. That´s why I´ve left some extrawood above where they joint with piece #4.
 
Here are the rough cut pieces and the lefties.
 

 
Then in order to sand them I always ensure the perpendicular of the table sand machine.
 

 
Here is the tyniest piece I´ve ever sand with the disc sand.
 

 
And here is the result of sanding. I have to fair them much more. I hope to have some time tomorow and glue the whole thing together. We´ll see.
 

 
Best wishes!
 
 
Daniel.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Good morning people!
 
I have completed all the aft frames from #19 till #0 The dead flat one. Number 3 is not in the picture. I´ve allready printed out the copies for the fore frames so the next days I will be busy again writing and cutting more patterns. Back to the post #4!!
 

 
 
Enjoy your day.
 
Daniel.

More frames coming...

DEAD WOOD + INNER POST: 05/12/2012


Hi every single soul around!


Lots of things have being made during these
days. I have finally “recover” de Aft deadwood piece and start to make the
steps for the aft cant frames.


With the pattern glued to the starboard was
easy to cut the steps, for the other side, the portside, I printed out again
the same pattern but I have used tracing paper (vegetal paper) in order to copy
the same lines in the other side. I have marked with a pencil the lines at the
top and the bottom to be sure that this pattern is symmetrical to the other side
of the deadwood.


I have chiseled the perimeter of the piece
of wood, like if you are modeling a piece of stone. Doing this you assure
yourself not to remove too much wood than it is necessary.


I have work very carefully while chiseling
the wood with X-acto blades out of de Aft deadwood in order to make the step
cuts….like someone said  once “the wood
you chisel out, never comes again”


Meanwhile I am cutting several frames to
just relax myself.


Hope to finish at least the stern for the
end of the year…


Best wishes.


 


Daniel.


 

hey Pete, thx for jumping by!
 
I've been using Blender since 2013, just about 4 years now. how much modeling you can do in your spare time would determine how soon you could start such project on your own. there's a lot of ground to cover: various modeling techniques (polygon modeling, edge extrusions, subdivision surface modeling, splines, NURBS, NURMS...), materials setup, lighting (still trying to figure that out properly, believe me)... but don't be intimidated by the amount of learning needed. start with something smaller and simple, and push further once you're comfortable with what you've learned. you'll progress naturally into more complex stuff. 
 
I've tried Solidworks myself, and I'm using Fusion 360 for a side job where I need certain precision. but Blender is my main go-to tool because CAD modeling is too constrained for my liking. I like to push polygons by hand and I'm much quicker in Blender than in CAD program. but yeah, you end up using the tool you find most comfortable to work with, so Blender, Solidworks, 3DS Max... whatever, as long as you have fun while modeling! ;-)
 
cheers!
Denis

Hi Denis
Welcome to the forum, I'd like to tag along with your build if I may.  I've been dallying with Solidworks with the same thing in mind and your work looks fabulous to date - Could you let us know how long you have been using blender before taking up this challenge just to give me idea of what's ahead of me - Like MarkP if got some 2D CAD behind me but just starting in 3D. Looking forward to your further posts - Cheers Pete

Hi Tim, will the following pictures be of any help?

Hi Daniel,
 
Sorry for the VERY late reply . The process is as follows: firstly the 2D drawings of the frames are imported on to different reference plans in Solidworks, then draw the boundary of the hull surface with the help of other imported 2D drawing curves, finally use the boundary surface feature in Solidworks to construct the hull surface guided by the curves. As can be seem from the pictures below. And Yes, a set of 2D drawings can be generated from the 3D model.
 
Best regards,
Jingyang

Let us now turn to the second and third bridges. We will always find the same basic structure of the framework. The arrangements differ as we shall see by their wealth.
The third bridge will be visible in part because it is masked by the front and back fellows.
It has a peculiarity that are the flats of the Admiral. The latter contained an unprecedented luxury for the period of painted decors, precious furniture, carpets and a parquet flooring plated on the edges of the bridge.
The structure includes a series of gratings to allow ventilation of previous bridges (such as the second bridge). Indeed during the battles, the firing of the guns emitted an intense smoke that it was necessary to be able to evacuate.
The leases you see above this bridge are those sketched out by the fellows and the poop.
The guns are set up and equipped with their hoists, tacks, braches. Through the partial opening of the bridge one can see the arms of the great capstan. The masts are fictitious at the moment.
Photos of details show these guns to post.
 
Here are the amenities of the Admiral's apartments on starboard
Entrance wall from the bridge with its wrought doors
Front view
Rear top view
The large room (14m x 9m) with its walls worked, the chests, the paintings (I did not reproduce those original!)

Let us go back in detail to this back part of the funds.
On this view you can see:
The "Manual" which served the helmsman to orient the rudder according to the orders. This device of use in the XVIIth century will be replaced by the double wheel better known. This vertical lever was articulated in a nut and moving it from right and left pushing it made the helm of the rudder visible.

A double partition supposed to insulate this rear compartment or "Sainte-Barbe" includes supports where were hung the powder gargoyes. A table and benches for cannoniers and one also sees the traps giving access to the powder tanks.
 
A section of this section provides a better understanding of these developments.
It is a piece of the plans of the Ambitious of Monsieur Jean Boudriot. This ship built at the same time as the SR and like him in Brest undoubtedly had the same facilities

et's go to the first bridge or first battery.
The main structure is finished with: leases, beams, reinforcement curves, bolsters, hatches stacked masts ...
In this detail, we can distinguish the leases and barracks, the corbes, the portico extensions, the ceiling of the wall, the sills of the next bridge and their seals, the bolsters which keep the gaps between the leases and the notches on the leases To accommodate future curling coamings.
Then the small capstan with single bell and the large capstan with double bell.
Then at the prow is the Gatte, a compartment in the form of a bin pushed back in lead sheets to receive the waters resulting from the retraction of the anchor cables. Scuppers on both sides allow the flow to the sea.
In the foreground the vertical bolster of the bowsprit mast
The curbing of the first bridge is short. The coamings are in pear tree as well as the central part, the rest of the bridge in sycamore (French maple). Aesthetic reason, but also because during the scratching of the oak bridges with sea water the salt in the long time bleached the wood. Operation called "Briquettage" because one scratched with bricks of terracotta.
In the foreground one sees the sheep park followed by the large hatch.
The curbing of the bridge is completed on the starboard side, the port side is left open to see the structural work.
The equipment is in place and we make a first presentation of the guns of 36.

The curbing of the hull or lively work is a long and meticulous exercise. The slats are calculated in width and length to respect certain principles:
None of the curbs should end in whistle or tip.
No joints on chords should be on the same chord with less than three gaps.
The edges are skewed on edge to stick well to the bottom .... but you know that of course.
Operation of more than one month. The same will apply to the felling of dead works

You are right, the Beautiful is a beautiful little frigate as well as Fame.

Let's make a small break by the sculpture of the elements of the prow
The jottereaux are in place on the spur and the frieze is carved.
Then a few steps of the sculpture of the marine horse, it was my first sculpture and I have to make touching soon.
The frieze, which is very fragile, required three weeks of work

The following coltis border was quite complex to make.

The doors are functional and the brass sheaves at the top of the pediment are also functional

Thank you and later.

I continue my description:
The cannons:
15 guns of 36 on each edge in first battery
15 guns of 18 on each edge of second battery
15 guns of 12 on each edge of third battery
5 guns of 8 on each edge of the aft deck
3 guns of 8 on the castle of before
2 guns of 4 on the poop on each edge
A total of 110 canons all in Bronze.
I remind you that the portholes of retreat and hunting ports were not armed as well as the first port of the first battery.

These cannons were decorated with the arms of the Count de Vermandois, the baton of King Louis XIV. They also featured a wildlife head with a breech button.

Not finding in France a competent workshop and a reasonable price to melt them, I turned to Alexey Baranov, an engineer from Ukraine who accepted the challenge.
Only Tribord will be armed, Port being not decorated to let the work of framing.

These guns were modeled on a 3D milling machine and then cast by the process of lost wax. Then trimmed and polished. I applied a treatment later to give them the appearance of verdigris.
All are mounted on their hooks and rigged with maneuvers hoists and fixed against their respective ports.
This picture shows one of these 24 guns that equip the Royal Sun No. 2 of 1693, sunk at the Battle of the Cardinals

good morning Marc
I took more than four years to complete all the internal structures and the first bridges. As will be seen in other photographs, the bridges with notched dovetail leases against the walls are as numerous as the pairs and each one carries numerous assembly notches.
This framework, for the time, was very astute and admirable resistance. Everything was nailed, pegged, no glue or screws or bolts.
What is also remarkable is that the construction of the ship required only a little less than two years.
5000 workers of all the trades animated this site.
More than 3000 very large oaks were necessary without counting the woods needed for the mature.
Yes, I think to do all the rigging if by then the great author of the cosmos gives me time. That is to say a little more than 4 years to see 5.
Good day Marc

Some details on this structure of the framework.
Each chord or "couple" has 7 pieces: a veranda on the keel, two knees, two first elongates, two second elongates. These pieces are assembled in staggered form and are of decreasing thickness to lighten as much as possible the tops of the vessel ..Sa nearly 700 pieces to carve in the respect of the dimensions of the time and the 1 / 48th.
Preparations are done on the table with templates from the plan.
It is therefore a very very long and somewhat tedious work, but necessary. Some "fillings" are necessary between the meshes at the places where it will be necessary to pierce the ports of the three main batteries.
All the "bottoms" of the aisseau are equipped with false bridges, floors, partitions of the various equipments as in the real ship.

Thank you for your nice comments.
I introduce myself: I am an engineer of Arts and Crafts and I have always done a little modeling during my life parallel to my job. I am married, I have three children and six grandchildren. I'm 76 years old.
In retirement since 1998 I accidentally fell on the drawing of the stern of the Royal Sun, drawing by Jean Berain.
Immediately I was seduced and I decided to build this ship in Arsenal.
I started my research in 2008 by browsing the historical backgrounds in search of exact documents on the Royal Sun. My object was to compile all these documents in order to have enough to draw up the plans of this ship as well as possible.
This was done in 2009. It was a first approach that was to guide the construction while allowing the retouching as and when.
The axial framework with more than 90 frames and the stern and stern frame will be presented at an exhibition in January 2010.
Photos of this period:

I present here the latest photos of my Royal Sun. It is not finished and if it interests you I would put you following as work progresses.
Excuse me but not speaking English I use the Google translator