demonborger

Yes Cornwall model boats now have the two club Occre kits San Illdefonso and Nuestra Senora Del Pilar. Sadly however the most beautiful ship of all, the Principe De Asturias is nowhere to be seen

Do you plan on painting any of it, or will you leave the wood as it is?

It may not be perfectly symmetrical but it is a lot cleaner than my attempt. Additionally the ropes will be coiled around them for the rigging so it won't be a problem.

So i have this kit too and am slightly ahead of you (but to a less standard). What do you think of the idea of using  3mmx1mm ramin between the gunport frames so that they don't stick out as far? 

How does Corel do its gunports?

Are they metal frames with a socket for the false guns? Or do the false guns go into holes drilled in wooden blocks ? Or something else?

For my Occre Santisima Trinidad I just cut the bulkheads to make room for the wooden backing for the gunports while the bulkheads were assembled. However Occre bulkheads are made of a light material that is easy to cut. Additionally Occre used a gunports pattern to go accross the bulkheads rather than individual strakes so the shape wasn't affected.

Hmm does anyone know what wood is used for the second planking of this kit?

You could try using thick/gel CA glue and place a few drops on the back of the wood and use wood glue on the edges and then with a damp cloth wipe away the excess wood glue. The basic idea is that the gel/thick CA won't run everywhere into the grain but will still form a strong immediate bond to act like a nail while the wood glue has time to dry.

Is there any plans for an ironclad such as La Gloire or L'Ocean?

If you're feeling lazy you could give Tamiya Metallic Black spray can a go (TS-40). 

Great Galleons has a build here that is a fair way through and looks great.

The metal cannon ports are ok but can be a bit fiddly.

The dummy cannons stick out too far from the hull.

The actual ship never existed as such but it is based upon the Hohenzollern model which was of a dutch 17th century 2 decker. The model itself was destroyed in WW2 but there are photos of it.

There are plenty of threads on the internet (here, at a dutch forum etc) detailing that the Friesland is actually a model of the Hohenzollern model.

The kit itself builds into a beautiful model.

Your admiral did a great job with the painting 

Looking very nice.

wonderful build

This kit is one of the most interesting on the market atm, it is so different to others with the shape of stern, the lines, etc.

Hey does anyone know which type of metal Mamoli makes their guns from? Specifically the guns in Friesland, 1/90 Victory and Royal Louis kits.

Yes, the most annoying thing is where they say or the product packaging suggests one thing (e.g brass parts) and you get a cheaper imitation material (cheaper metal painted brass colour). Or when you don't get enough materials or the wrong materials (substitute wood).

Le Mirage and San Felipe may be fictional ships but they are still very beautiful. In a weird kind of way it is the fictional kits that I give more leniency to, so long as they look good and have nice materials. But if you are making an HMS Victory model then you want it to be as close to a scale representation as possible given the constraints of scale modeling.

Ok personally i think decks look better if they are lighter (deck furniture can get lost in the darkness), and as others have said start lighter and test!!

Poorly designed is a much more important issue.

1.Double planking, single blanking, hybrid double in the gun wales and single for the hull, gunport cutouts.

2.Wooden gunports, metal gunports, 100 different methods for mounting false cannons.

3. 100000000000 different types of wood and different qualities. Also quantity supplied

4. Fat shapeless white metal castings, photo etch, material for scratchbuild, paper windows, plastic windows

5. bulkheads that fit into the false keel, those that don't

6. Bow fillers, number of bulkeads, extra supports

7. Decks (flimsy veneer, mdf, build your own)

8. fittings quality (laser cut gun carriage vs metal casting vs simple wood)

9. plans and instructions (pictures, explanations, logic)

10. laser cut vs non-laser cut

11. launch boats/sails inclusion/exclusion

And so much more variations.

For somethings there are probably different preferences for different people (such as how false guns are mounted and gunports/lids - i prefer the mamoli metal ones as crazy as that seems). For other things there is near universal preference for one method over others (laser cut parts over handcut).

It would be nice if the manufacturers said what the model is based on. If it is real then say, and if it is not real but inspired then say so. The Mamoli Royal Louis 1780 is actually based upon a contemporary model of the Royal Louis of 1758 (of the Sans Pareil class project) and not the Royal Louis 1779. The blurb in the product description makes reference to action in the American War of Independence probably for marketing reasons.

One thing is that there is so much conflicting information and so some ship models are approximations or are compromise of multiple influences. Perhaps artistic license and manufacturing practicality take precedence over historical fidelity. It does mean that there is a greater variety of subjects and kits. And of course the materials and methods of construction allow for a great deal of scope to scratchbuild any modification or correction that the builders skills allow. Many beginners I think would be more concerned with getting the basics right to create something that resembles what was on the cover of the box, at least initially.

I think variety is a good thing. I suppose if manufacturers did follow a code of conduct to produce kits that are historically accurate then it would mean that maybe we would see a lot more 19th century ships - and I for one would love to make an Azov or an HMS Asia......Navarino (my scratchbuilding is limited)

Is the kit double planked or single planked for the hull?

The Santa Ana is very beautiful.

I think Chris refers to the 1668 Royal Louis. It is very reminiscent. I have the Mamoli Royal Louis partially built and that is imo the sexiest looking ship  from all the manufacturers. The Mamoli Royal Louis is claimed to be from 1780 but it looks more like that 1758 one.

Royal Louis 1668

Assuming the contemporary painting is accurate it would seem that the colour is closer to white than cream. No doubt the shade of white changed over the years and from navy to navy. 

If you apply a finish over the paint that could change the colour too, and if it is a glossy finish it would again look very different than if it was a matte finish.

Any manufacturer sell metal cast barrels? Spray them brown and secure them in the hull for ballast. 

Oh this looks very nice.

If you at Amati/Victory Models get stumped for ideas after these kits come out you can always make a Neptune (Neptune, Dreadnaught, Temeraire) class 1/90 scale kit 

Model Shipways plans and in particular instructions will probably be a lot easier to understand. Mamoli is an italian company and some of their instructions it shows through in the english translation part.

What does everyone think of this kit?

How are the plans?

      The wood and materials?

      The fittings?