17th century ships

[chas]

There appears to be a shortage of smaller mid 17th century ship kits or plans. I would like to source plans or kits for vessels similar to the full rigged Martin 1653 6th rate. (see attached image). Corel's Peregrine galley comes close but I would prefer a larger scale model. Sergal's Peregrine is larger but is more of an early 18th century representation

 

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[Ed Saur]

Chas,

 

Daniel Dusek is about to release the Statenyacht Utrecht which is a model of a 17century type.

 

You are right in saying this area is underserved.

 

Let us keep up the huzzah, especially for larger models of smaller ships.

 

Ed

 

 

[overdale]

Having finally delivered my Frigate 'Boston' to it's new owner I am moving back to the late 17th century and about to start one of these two. (the one on the left) Bought from the NMM.

Their online plans system seems very unwieldy to me. I pretty much found this plan by accident.!

 

 

 

 

Dan.

[Ed Saur]

Dan,

 

    That is my favorite plan. I have it on my office wall.

 

Everybody,

 

    Would these sorts of sterns be doable, at say 5" in height,  in one piece using resin or 3d printing by a kit company?

 

    And what various ways can the painted items above and between the cannon ports best be created?

    Decals, printed paper or going to 2 years of art school?

 

    Finally, how to create the globular stern lanterns?

 

Ed

[overdale]

Janos,

I'm not sure I agree with you about the 'gingerbread carving' between the gun ports. I think it more likely to have been painted.

 

If you take a look at John Franklin's excellent book 'Navy Board Ship Models 1650-1750' not one of the 17th century contemporary models that make up half the book has any carving on the frieze, they are without  exception painted. The gun ports, head and stern are all beautifully carved so I doubt they didn't carve the friezes to save work, I suspect that the friezes were almost always painted. The exception being perhaps royal yachts etc.

 

Dan.

[overdale]

Dan,

 

    That is my favorite plan. I have it on my office wall.

 

Everybody,

 

    Would these sorts of sterns be doable, at say 5" in height,  in one piece using resin or 3d printing by a kit company?

 

    And what various ways can the painted items above and between the cannon ports best be created?

    Decals, printed paper or going to 2 years of art school?

 

    Finally, how to create the globular stern lanterns?

 

Ed

 

 

Ed,

as I said to Janos, I don't think those friezes are carved so they are pretty easy to do. I generally trace or photo copy them from the plan and print them onto decal paper in my printer. You can paint them on the decal sheet and seal them with laquer before cutting them out and applying them to the frieze. 

In this case there looks to be some gold lettering involved so I will probably send the copies of the frieze work to a specialist who makes decals and can print them in gold ink. I can then add the shading etc. before I apply them. He usually does gold stern lettering for me for larger models so I doubt he'll have a problem with these. (PS. I went to art school for 3 years and I'm still using decals!)

The stern lanterns are not to hard to source. Quite a few kit manufacturers make something that wouldn't be too hard to modify to suit.

 

I consider these drawings as just 'concept sketches'  there are no records that they were ever built so there is no need to slavishly follow the details. even if you do copy everything, you still wind up with a 'decorative' ship that probably didn't exist.

 

Dan.

[Ed Saur]

Aeropiccola manufactured 3 inexpensive kits that I've built: HMS Prince, HMS Seraphis and Nonsuch.

 

All three used hot-pressed sawdust-glue (looked like cooked waffles) to make the good-looking, detailed sterns and other decorations.

 

Not being metal but thermoplastic stuff, I could use a hair dryer warm up and press fit the gun port wreaths to the shape of the hull sides.