Occre Beagle Accuracy

[Raymond_h2002]

Hi All,

 

Just started posting after months of lurking, and am very happy to participate in the discussion of this hobby.  I posted my intro just moments ago, and here's my first query to you all:

 

My magnum opus in this hobby is to build as accurate a rendition possible of the HMS Beagle.  I am aware that a lot of information on it is muddled or lost. I'm guessing that no one bothered keeping tabs on it during its existence... understandably so, when their most famous passenger didn't receive worldwide acclaim until decades after *the* voyage.

 

I am also aware of the issues surrounding the authenticity of the Mamoli kit, being likely based on the Revell kit, which in turn was a cash-grab reissue of their Bounty. 

 

Occre recently came out with a Beagle kit.  it even has a little beagle figurehead!  How cute!

 

I was wondering if anyone can comment on the accuracy of this kit?  When I compare the few photos I've seen of it to Marquardt's build, some of the details, albeit out of scale, seem impressively dead on, yet details like the bow shape seem completely different (Marquardt having a bluff bow and the Occre kit being a pointy one).  Are these differences historically arguable? 

 

 

Given my ambition, is this kit close enough where I can probably make minor corrections as needed to the kit, or should I just scratch build the thing? 

 

Thanks guys,

Raymond

 

 

[pontiachedmark]

Gidday Raymond.

I have no experience with this ship although my Occre San Felipe is a mish mash of ships.

I am unsure if this is an typical of Occre kits.

I do have a couple of questions,

If you are going to scratch build this what are you basing your model on?

If you have plans do these not answer your questions?

I hope I have not confused the issue.

Wishing you all the best.

Mark.

 

[Gregory]

15 hours ago, Raymond_h2002 said:

Hi All,

 

I was wondering if anyone can comment on the accuracy of this kit?  When I compare the few photos I've seen of it to Marquardt's build, some of the details, albeit out of scale, seem impressively dead on, yet details like the bow shape seem completely different (Marquardt having a bluff bow and the Occre kit being a pointy one).  Are these differences historically arguable? 

.....

Do you have any sources for the model?

 

The cover of Marquardt's Anatomy of the Ship book shows a relatively sharp bow, as does this contemporary painting at the National Maritime Museum..

[Raymond_h2002]

Hello Mark, and thank you for your response!

 

I was going to base my build off Karl Marquardt's book, "HMS Beagle: Survey Ship Extraordinary (Anatomy of the Ship)."  I just ordered a used copy and haven't received it yet, but I'm making the assumption that the book has enough information in it to support a scratch build.  

 

I was comparing the Occre photos to Marquardt's build and Occre looks to be close.

 

Photos of Marquardt's Beagle from "The Voyage of the Beagle: Darwin's Extraordinary Adventure Aboard FitzRoy's Famous Survey Ship,"
by James Taylor.

 

Occre photos:

 

Here's another build, based off of Marquardt's work:

http://www.ajmundo.com/boats/beagle/

 

 

 

 

 

[Raymond_h2002]

5 hours ago, Gregory said:

Do you have any sources for the model?

 

The cover of Marquardt's Anatomy of the Ship book shows a relatively sharp bow, as does this contemporary painting at the National Maritime Museum..

Greg, you're right about the bow in the photos.. maybe it's just a weird angled photo that I attached.  This looks pretty frickin close to me (Marquardt's book cover on the left, Occre model on the right):

 

Edited July 11, 2019 by Raymond_h2002
clarification to photo

[pontiachedmark]

Gidday Raymond.

I would be interested in your opinion of Mr Marquardts book. I hope there is enough information to facilitate a scratch build or assist in determining if the Occre kit is satisfactory.

Wishing you all the best in your endeavours.

Mark.