barrel sizes

[chrish67]

Hi All

 

I am researching HMS Pickle and plan to build the Caldercraft kit but i would like to add a few interesting touches as seen on some of the build logs here. The kit is 1:64 scale what size in mm would barrels be so they are the correct size?

 

I also saw some deck crew on one of the builds - any ideas were to get these?

 

if there is a simple formula for scale please feel free to tell me I was never any good at maths!

 

Thanks

 

Chris

[mtaylor]

Chris,

Here's info that might help: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/138-re-post-of-info-on-barrelcasks-sizes/

[chrish67]

thank you most grateful for all the info

[Modeler12]

I took this a step further because I wanted to know the dimensions of these various containers. 

The information provided by Long9Ron is the basis. His tabulated values are for volume in gallons. He also mentioned that a leager was typically 150 gallons with a height of 54 inches and a diameter of 36 inches.

 

Now you cannot simply scale the dimensions linearly. Using volumes you have to use the cubes. Pardon the following, but it is the way I did the scaling:
The height of a 'barrel', for example is the cube root of (54 raised to the third power times 150/36). This gives a height for the barrel of 34 inches and a diameter of 22 inches. Here are the values for the others:

 

Leager         150 gallons   54" high x 36" diameter

Tun              220 gallons   61" high x 41" diameter

Butt              110 gallons   49" high x 32" diameter

Hogshead      54 gallons   38" high x 25" diameter

Barrel            36 gallons   34" high x 22" diameter

Rundlet          16 gallons   25" high x 17" diameter

 

These are rounded of and not very accurate, but since there were no real 'standards' they are good enough for me. You might want to compare this with the picture Ron showed for various containers. Now I can make my own 'barrels'.

 

BTW a barrel of rum would weigh about 300 pounds. 

[Modeler12]

Using the above dimensions I made my first crack at making them. Not perfect but these will be deep down under.

 

This is for you Mark:

From left to right we have a leager, a tun, a butt, a hogshead, a barrel and an 'I-don't-know-what'. Scale 1:64.

 

Personally I think they are too tall (or small in diameter), but they were based on a very tall leager. For the next series I think I will modify the dimensions a bit to make them look more like a 'wine barrel', something we are more familiar with???

Edited May 18, 2013 by Modeler12

[Modeler12]

I am sorry but I had to verify if those dimensions I came up with were close. So if we look at the dimensions of the 'barrel' at 34 inch high and 22 inch diameter, we can come up with a close calculation of the volume. I took an average diameter of 19 inches and then subtracted the thickness of the staves, top and bottom to come up with 33 inch high by 18 inch diameter. The volume is then:

 

 

Volume =  33 x π x 9 x 9  = 84000 cubic inches = 4.86 cu feet = 36 gallons.

 

Pretty close to what I came up with. 

As mentioned I still think the ratio of height to diameter is a bit too high. I wanted shorter/fatter barrels. When I took a look at typical barrel pictures on the web I came up with a ratio of 1.3 to 1.4 instead of the 1.5 that was used above. So I will recalculate the sizes on the basis of a ration of 1.3.