Tafferal Capping Rail Width Question

[rdsaplala]

Hi Guys,

 

I'm currently working on a 1773 English frigate plan and I'm having some difficulty in deciding if I should follow the red line or the blue line for the width of its taffarel capping rail (see picture below):

 

 

Based on TFFM vol 2, the rail's fore-aft width should be the red line in the draught, reaching up to the forward border of the stern timber, as seen in the picture below:

 

 

However, on the draught  it appears that the width is only the blue line, and does not extend beyond the aft edge of the stern timber (see picture below):

 

 

Nearly all of the contemporary models I've seen support the first drawing (red line), but the contemporary model of HMS Minerva in the link below seems to support the second drawing (blue line):

 

http://s3.amazonaws.com/magnoliasoft.imageweb/nmm/supersize/d4842_2.jpg

 

As seen in the close up below, Minerva's taffarel capping rail does not seem to extend up to the stern timber:

 

 

 

What do you think guys? Red or Blue? 

 

Thanks very much in advance.

Edited July 8, 2013 by rdsaplala

[druxey]

Looks like your drawing is not typical. The tafferel (aft) is lower than usual, so that there is a bulwark forward of it to make up the height for safety. This being the case, the tafferel is the width of the blue line, as it butts up against the bulwark. The latter has its own rail, the width of which you can measure directly from the plan.

[rdsaplala]

Thanks, Druxey, I will go with your advice and go for the blue width.

 

 

One more question, if I may:

 

Based on the picture below, am I correct in interpreting that the structure immediately forward of the taffarel is actually the upper extension of the stern frame? (green arrow).

 

 

 

Thanks again for the help.

Edited July 7, 2013 by rdsaplala

[druxey]

Oh, yes: those railing supporters are, in the case of the outer ones, the tops of the outer counter timbers. If the inner ones align accurately with the pillars between the lights (hard to tell on your small image) then they, too are the upper ends of the inner counter timbers. If they do not line up, then they are standards on the quarter deck. 

[BubbleHead]

Hello

 

Thank you  Druxey and Aldo.

I'm going with the blue line also. Red would be easier. Don't think you can see this. Found out some thing new just click on the pic. Nice Admiral

TJ.

Edited July 8, 2013 by BubbleHead

[rdsaplala]

Thanks Druxey, I re-checked the inner railing supporters and they indeed line up with the pillars between the lights.

Thank you so much again for the help

 

Thanks for sharing your diagram TJ, you've made a good choice in going with the blue width, you could use the Minerva picture above as reference on how the overall arrangement looks like at the front, it will be more or less like the drawing below: 

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2013 by rdsaplala