Flyfisher Posted May 18 Share #1 Posted May 18 Greetings fellow glue heads. I am working on the Occre Beagle, and it kinda bugs me that the four cannons are just static decorations on the deck. Has anyone ever tried to place them in the gunports? I would rather construct the model to look like a working ship than a museum piece and this is one direction I’m considering. Thanks Jim Martin Keith Black 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted May 19 Share #2 Posted May 19 Maybe it's me but I think most models, both contemporary and modern, that have cannon show them run out. As she was not really a warship and never in battle it is not likely the guns were run out except for practice firing. I have no idea what pattern guns were used or if they were long guns or carronades, but there are a number of sources on how these were rigged as well as the sizes of the blocks and lines. There has been recent discussion on these at MSW. https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21776-carriage-gun-rigging/ Also keep in mind she had carronades early on and long guns sometime later. For anyone interested in Beagle and Darwin, the following from the National Archives in Kew is a good listen https://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/charles-darwin-and-the-beagle/#:~:text=She [the Beagle] was in,battle%2C Allan mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Jaager Posted May 19 Solution Share #3 Posted May 19 Marquardt shows 6 long guns - 4 x 6lb 2x9lb 1x 6lb boat carronade on a turning base - forecastle. 1x 4lb Howitzer The 6 long guns were trussed and on the main deck. No sign of a location for the Howitzer - it may have been stored below until required for use in what stood for the main launch. The long guns were clutter and mostly in the way. Once England was out of site, I would consider parking them in the hold were I having FitzRoy's job. Running them out would be pointless. Any locals who might physically object to the English trespassers would probably find the carronade to be a sufficient discouragement. The U.S.Ex.Ex. used a gun to measure distance when mapping. The home ship would fire a gun, someone on a launch would use a stopwatch to measure the difference between the flash and the sound. The carronade would be perfect if Beagle used this method. mtaylor, allanyed, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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