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Hello JJ thank you. There are some, but for your time a floorcloth would be more correct. Have a look into the gallery for historic models, Mark P has there a lot of albums from the Science Museum. Or what I have build for the Dragon. At page 7 it started with the floorcloth. https://modelshipworld.com/topic/8505-hms-dragon-build-by-siggi52-scale-148-english-74-gunner-1760/page/7/ -
Hello, it seams, that Druxey did't find any historical notes about floorcloth. As so often. I found an article about this Nathan Smith, mentioned above: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/vol45/pp105-106 It looked like, that they had with floorcloth some problems before he solves that with his patent. For the Superb, 74guns 1760 they build at that time a piece of floorcloth. A painted piece of paper: https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-549999 Here at the shipyard the carpenters where busy and laid out the waterways and the first planks
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Druxey, we are talking here about floorcloth or parquet. Not a weather prove deck or a scene at a theatre.
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Hello and many thanks for your likes and comments Druxey, you are thinking and then is it so? We know that that is not always so. Where are your historic sources? That is something I would wisch for the future. It seams that I'm the only one who used them, and asked for, and others do all to destroy them. As I know, from my earlier researches for the Dragon and reenactment, that floorcloth was developed in the middle of the 18th century. When I just had a look into wikipedia, there where also some earlier version. „A London painter and stainer, Nathan Smith, was issued a patent in 1763 for waxed cloth specifically as a floor covering.“ Wikipedia Boudriot writes in his book about the 74 gunner, that the deck planking (great cabin) is sheathed with wood-block parquet in a shuttle-pattern. And that was in the 1880th's! In this case the British where the for-runners with floorcloth. In this case I would think, that this is also the work of Thomas Slade to introduce them. So for the earlier ships I think, that they had a parquet, but not always so fancy in the great cabin.
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Good morning, thank you for all the likes. JJ, yes there is a contemporary floor from that time. The Centurion. The only difference is, they painted obviously there wood! But that did you see at all models. I don't know if that was also the practise, of that time, in real shipbuilding. Amalio and Håkan, thank you for your nice comments. Håkan, that would't happen.
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Hello, the carpenters started with planking the QD. Here first the balcony and the parquet in the great cabin for the captain. At that time only the great cabin had a parquet. And here the painter has oiled the floor
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Hello, thank you Eric. In this case it had snowed that morning and in the afternoon the snow was gone. So I changed it a little. The future captain protested, because of the stair he should crawl up at hands and feet. So the shipwright decided to change that. So looked it at the draught I'm working after the second draught for the Tiger, made in 1747. The first one is from 1745 and shows two stairs or ladders. Below: The upper draught is from the Anson, 60 gunner from 1747, an is made 1745. The second draught is from the Tiger, made 1746! It did't match with the draught (side view) I'm working after. The GD yes, but not the QD and the FC. The beams here not at the same places. At the FC you see that they made changes, they erase some beams and the deck here is shorter than at the side view I'm working after. And it looked so, as if they made the part of the QD new. But because my draught is from 1747, it looked so if that is the final version after wich they had build the ship and changed later the deck plans. At least you could't even trust the draughts. And that is what the carpenters had build now. They cut one beam and made the coming longer. The shipwright tested the stair. The beams here are 6 feet high, so with a hat you have to watch your head. But at the first step his head is in the open. We hope that the captain is now satisfied.
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Hello, and thank you for your likes The ladders now are ready and installed! That was not my week. I don't know how often I build at least the planks until they fit and new jig's for the saw. But that is snow from this morning. When I haven't forgot anything, planking the QD my next big thing at my list. Here the craftsmen have them ready and fit in And also the stair for the officers. There is not much headroom for them.
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Hello, now the coamings for the gratings and the stairway are ready. The carpenters preparing all for building the ladders tomorrow.
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Hello, today the carpenters build the gratings and the painter painted them. What I'm wondering about when building the gratings is, how did they get out the capstan? In small pieces I think at least they have to open the deck and cut out a beam
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Hello, now all the beams are installed. Not every beam got a hanging knee. Only there where they go strait down, that was enow of finger artistic for me Is there something like Murphy's law, that the knees dry fit perfectly, but with some glue on it not And also the number of cannons increased. The next thing to do are the coamings for the gratings and the stair.
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Hello and many thanks for all the likes. Today only a short update. I made some repairs from my work yesterday and two new beams are installed.
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Hello, when I read all this, how would it be to train your aim? The pissdales are large enough, that may be two sailers have a match? Ok, the carpenters where extremely busy today and installed the first beam with the connection to the gangway.
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Thank you JJ and Druxey, I build them after a picture out of the book Rogers Collection part 2, Model No 7, page 106. And there has the bowl alone the same diameter as the port nearby is broad. An other factor is, the walls are not really vertical. So you would have a problem with the one I first build smaller.
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Hello and many thanks for all the likes The pissdales are now installed. The first pictures show the first one I build, but they where too small. But you could see how I build them. The next where a little larger and you see them installed.
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And I thought after you build all natural things in snow white, the fireplace should also be snow white
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Hello Chuck, that looks all pretty good what you have build there. But then this. There is the snow white ship, looking if never a human hand had ever touched it, and then a used second hand fireplace! What is the mistake here?
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Hello, after some days with snow and sunshine I'm now back at the shipyard. In Dec. we had here in Schleswig-Holstein an average of 5 hours sunshine! Cutting the planks for the gangway The painter has painted the knees and the carpenters made the planks ready for installing. In the front on both sides are cavel blocks And now is the gangway ready, except for the rails to the outside, who come when the whole ship would be mainly ready.
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Thank you Dziadeczek, it is not the look of these pissdales, but where they are build in and how many there are, what I did't know. Here again the sentence of Joe J. Simmons III, who wrote in his booklet "Those Vulgar Tubes": they where often installed forward and aft against the bulwarks in the waists on contemporary models The place behind the FC bulwark, as in your picture, is since the gangways where introduced no more realistic. That is may be also the reason why they where no more seen in models. They where used until the end of the 19th century.
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Hello, and thank you GrandpaPhill what I found out is, when the FC deck is overhanging over the first cannon in the waist, they have ladders. First the Royal Oak and then the Medway When there is no overhang and that is mostly the case, not. And you could see, why not. L.G. Carr Laughton wrote only that the gangway way was introduced in 1744. Nothing from only temporary. The next picture is the 60 gunner (1745) I saw at Chatham and then the frigate Lowestoft (1761) At the Lowestoft the ladders are missing, I think. Here are the gangways installed. The ladders in these cases are at the entry. That is I think the way I would build it. The question is then, where would be the pissdales? Joe J. Simmons III wrote in his booklet: they where often installed forward and aft against the bulwarks in the waists on contemporary models. So where there four of them? Under the QD is the head-room much better. Should I build them there?
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Hello, the carpenters finished also the standards for the starboard side and set them in. The painter is just ready with painting. But then arose a problem. There where the Painter now stand, I would build in the pissdale. But I also would build the gangway between FC and QD! The painter is not the largest on and the gangway would be 5 feet something high above deck and 1' 6" broad, so performing your business there would not be very comfortable! In Goodwin's English Man of War at page 193 he wrote this: The gangways where only temporary. But then I think I need a ladder to reach the fore castle and have the same problem. But you did't see many models with ladders there. When, they have a short gangway and look very fast installed. Where there none and the sailers had to climb up there somehow? Ideas for this are very welcome
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Thank you all for your nice comments and likes. Håkan and Keith, that is what I would tell these builders with there black and white ships. These ships where painted. And they are beautiful in this way. Nobody would build the Bismarck in black and white, and she is't more beautiful painted, but historical correct. So why not paint the earlier ships?
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Hello, after a longer pause at the shipyard, is here now again action The carpenters build and installed the standards for the port side. Some weeks before they turned the pillars for this deck.
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Thank you Eric, Keith, Allan, David, and Michael for your wishes and all others for there likes.
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