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jbshan reacted to 6ohiocav in US Brig Niagara by 6ohiocav - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64
CATHARPINS PRACTICUM
I thought I would share with you my method of installing the catharpin on the lower shrouds of my main mast. I have seen other modelers use this method. The Niagara plans call for thimbles for attaching the lanyard. I elected to use the kit supplied brass rings that I blackened.
Since this has to be tied on to the model, it is a bit tricky. Using elongated pieces of .018 black rope (as per the plans), you can pull the ends far enough away from the shrouds to tie the knots.
The pictures show the process that I chose. I don’t know if this is the correct way, but it worked from me and at this scale looks good.
As an aside, I have come to a better understanding how and why a sailing ship’s rigging is engineered the way it is. Together with the futtock shrouds and the ratlines, the catharpin, when added to the main shrouds, really tightens up the entire system. It is rather incredible how everything works so well together.
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jbshan reacted to mikiek in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
I hoped a little research would clear things up for me. NOT.
I've seen tall stanchions, short stanchions, square stanchions, U shaped stanchions, stanchions that hang out over the rail, hammocks stacked vertical, hammocks stacked diagonal, folded, not folded, with netting, without netting - Enough! Sheesh!
Sorry, I guess I needed to whine a little bit Nothing left to do now but pick a few of the attributes I just mentioned and go with it.
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jbshan got a reaction from Elijah in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
The hammocks in the photo were folded in half, in fact that was the best view I found showing this. The covering flap was usually closed up tight. This particular view showed a bit of one end of the line of hammocks.
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jbshan got a reaction from Elijah in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
Horizontal or diagonal, whichever fits best. An old photo of a US Navy ship (on DANFS, probably) showed the hammocks stowed on a diagonal, in a wooden hammock rail (the wooden closing called berthing, for some reason).
I make the hammock rails about 28", in both the sheer plan and the detail view, so 28/64" or 7/16". I have a dial caliper with a fractional scale, in 1/64", which makes this particular model scale easy to measure. If you can't find one, perhaps one of the digital ones will have a fractional scale.
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jbshan got a reaction from Elijah in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
Yes, Mike, the same display for the gun. This is an early stage in making and setting up the hammock rail.
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jbshan got a reaction from Elijah in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
In 1/2" scale, so about the size of your gun deck, Mike, I got some square rod, annealed the brass and made big 'U's. I made rings from round stock and soldered them to the tops. Using more of the square rod, I made shallow 'U's with points on the ends. These I soldered to the bottoms of the big 'U's, and these short 'U's are stuck into holes in the cap rail. I think you can just see the double thickness. The short ones are beside the tall ones, not underneath.
The photo is kind of poor, so I didn't post it anywhere.
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jbshan got a reaction from Elijah in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
Try this link:
http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14557-typical-stowage-hammock-stowagehow-was-it-done-edited-by-admin
And here is one of the pics if the link doesn't work.
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jbshan got a reaction from Elijah in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
Don,
1. Yes
2. They had lots of spare canvas aboard, both as spare and as used, unserviceable sails.
3. The canvas kept the water out to begin with, and was painted to further water proof it. They got the hammocks up and washed and dried them when they could.
4. Yes.
5. Maybe, but you'd never see it, being covered up with the hammocks.
You could use a little thinned white glue or acrylic paint to seal the edges. My 'bag' is hand-sewn, with the seams inside. Eventually I'l put a thin coat of paint on, off-white probably. That'll further seal things up.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Sinking of the US gondola Philadelphia 1776 by John Garnish - FINISHED - 1:144 scale - diorama
Yah, it was probably dark by then, so you can display the model in a darkened room.
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jbshan got a reaction from John Garnish in Sinking of the US gondola Philadelphia 1776 by John Garnish - FINISHED - 1:144 scale - diorama
In re the wind direction:
The Americans were anchored in a W-E line, heads roughly to the NE. The British were beating up to them from the starboard beam against a northerly wind.
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jbshan got a reaction from John Garnish in Sinking of the US gondola Philadelphia 1776 by John Garnish - FINISHED - 1:144 scale - diorama
They would have presented their heavy gun to the enemy and would have made a much smaller target, yes, Chuck. That famous Admiral Benedict Arnold was in command: who knows?
There was barshot in the barrel of the 12 pdr, and the ball found in situ seems to have entered a bit from the bows: who knows?
Maybe they anchored at the bows and moored to the next in line aft, harder to moor to anchors fore and aft with Army crews perhaps.
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
The hammocks in the photo were folded in half, in fact that was the best view I found showing this. The covering flap was usually closed up tight. This particular view showed a bit of one end of the line of hammocks.
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
Horizontal or diagonal, whichever fits best. An old photo of a US Navy ship (on DANFS, probably) showed the hammocks stowed on a diagonal, in a wooden hammock rail (the wooden closing called berthing, for some reason).
I make the hammock rails about 28", in both the sheer plan and the detail view, so 28/64" or 7/16". I have a dial caliper with a fractional scale, in 1/64", which makes this particular model scale easy to measure. If you can't find one, perhaps one of the digital ones will have a fractional scale.
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
Yes, Mike, the same display for the gun. This is an early stage in making and setting up the hammock rail.
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jbshan reacted to John Garnish in Sinking of the US gondola Philadelphia 1776 by John Garnish - FINISHED - 1:144 scale - diorama
Ron,
Good point. I guess we'll never know. In any case, it lets me off the hook!
John
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jbshan reacted to Chuck Seiler in Sinking of the US gondola Philadelphia 1776 by John Garnish - FINISHED - 1:144 scale - diorama
John,
I have a copy of the thesis "The Continental Gondola Philadelphia-A Dissertation by John Raymond Bratton" from Texas A+M University. It can be downloaded from the following site: http://nautarch.tamu.edu/Theses/abstracts/bratten.html
It goes into detail about the recovery, but I'm not sure it gives heading. He does indicate both anchors were found in the mud directly under their respective catheads, indicating they were onboard when it sunk, eventually dropping off when the cables rotted.
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jbshan got a reaction from Elijah in US Brig Niagara by 6ohiocav - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64
Below the catharpins, I believe, Darrell. They are sort of a ladder strung between the P & S shrouds, also there is a safety net out on the bowsprit.
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jbshan got a reaction from Elijah in US Brig Niagara by 6ohiocav - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64
Just beware that some of the stuff between the shrouds is modern safety stuff. Check some of the books to see what should not be there on a period ship.
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jbshan reacted to 6ohiocav in US Brig Niagara by 6ohiocav - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64
Ahhh. I do remember that rope ladder. The plans actually say that is a modern safety thing, and I discarded the idea of doing that long ago. I also discarded the safety net for the bowsprit for the same reason.
Thanks for the clarification and reminder.
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jbshan reacted to Story in Sinking of the US gondola Philadelphia 1776 by John Garnish - FINISHED - 1:144 scale - diorama
That is just an island of awesome in a bed of outstandingness.
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in US Brig Niagara by mikiek - FINISHED - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 - First wooden ship build
In 1/2" scale, so about the size of your gun deck, Mike, I got some square rod, annealed the brass and made big 'U's. I made rings from round stock and soldered them to the tops. Using more of the square rod, I made shallow 'U's with points on the ends. These I soldered to the bottoms of the big 'U's, and these short 'U's are stuck into holes in the cap rail. I think you can just see the double thickness. The short ones are beside the tall ones, not underneath.
The photo is kind of poor, so I didn't post it anywhere.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Sinking of the US gondola Philadelphia 1776 by John Garnish - FINISHED - 1:144 scale - diorama
They would have presented their heavy gun to the enemy and would have made a much smaller target, yes, Chuck. That famous Admiral Benedict Arnold was in command: who knows?
There was barshot in the barrel of the 12 pdr, and the ball found in situ seems to have entered a bit from the bows: who knows?
Maybe they anchored at the bows and moored to the next in line aft, harder to moor to anchors fore and aft with Army crews perhaps.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Sinking of the US gondola Philadelphia 1776 by John Garnish - FINISHED - 1:144 scale - diorama
In re the wind direction:
The Americans were anchored in a W-E line, heads roughly to the NE. The British were beating up to them from the starboard beam against a northerly wind.
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jbshan got a reaction from Chuck Seiler in Sinking of the US gondola Philadelphia 1776 by John Garnish - FINISHED - 1:144 scale - diorama
They would have presented their heavy gun to the enemy and would have made a much smaller target, yes, Chuck. That famous Admiral Benedict Arnold was in command: who knows?
There was barshot in the barrel of the 12 pdr, and the ball found in situ seems to have entered a bit from the bows: who knows?
Maybe they anchored at the bows and moored to the next in line aft, harder to moor to anchors fore and aft with Army crews perhaps.
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jbshan got a reaction from HIPEXEC in Red Paint or Red Ochre
I stole some swatches, just as a rough guide.
On my monitor, Red Ochre looks about like bottom row, 4th from left.
Red Lead looks like top row, far right, perhaps 2nd right.
It is a definite but subtle difference.
Cadmium Red Light may be in the ball park, especially if you don't freak out over mixing colors.
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